Positions I Hold for Clarification

Great. That's all we need is a form of "unaccredited accreditation".

 

Here is the fundamental difference I don't want any government intervention in the free exchange and execution of ideas, save for that required by the Constitutional Obligations of each level. In the state level that is limited mostly to grades K-12 and state funded schools. Federal authority to those agencies directly under the government control such as of course West Point.

As for not having a bachelors degree since I prefer to seek knowledge over owning "bits of paper" I could care less. I also did complete 90 college credits from the University of Wisconsin system I left to take care of my sick mother and to work to pay bills but I intend to get a degree. I just don't care as much from WHOME but I would not oppose an accredited institution, but would choose an unaccredited school.

And my GPA was 3.32 so am not stupid I'm just a free thinker and a free market capitalist wanting the government at all levels out of the markets at all levels. The educational market is one and the fact is the government does support the "accepted" accreditors over others makes them part of the Ivory Tower. I also by the way don't feel the government should approve drugs I would and have argued to abolish the FDA for private options created by the free market. My view is not therefore any different in this topic.

 

no, its not. Its a higher standard first step or common practice so to speak.

Stepping back and look at it objectively, the US is probably the only major country that allows diploma mills in the first place. So get rid of those and then focus on standards.

 

full faith and credit clause?

 

That's what everyone without an accredited degree says.

 

Hey Steve:

I like and respect you very much. However, I have to disagree on all unaccredited schools being substandard or diploma mills. I am speaking about SCUPS. This school provides a quality education at an affordable price. And, it does share many professors and courses with NCU. Over half of my professor mentors are on the NCU faculty list. I have been working on the PSYD since 2001 and will finish up next summer. The course work is very stringent and on par with graduate courses I took in the SACS accredited Masters program at ECU. Also, the online courses with scups are very similar in nature and quality of those and I am taking with UNC CH in Public Health at the graduate level. I will gladly send you copies of all of the course syllabi for you to see for yourself.

I do have the opinion that schools that are in states that have no approval process - for quality of education- are very questionable.

I believe the problems SCUps had with the DETC was the accounting system and learner demographics (dealings with Vietnam educational system). There were a lot of things to revise for those foreign students.

If you PM me with your address, I will make copies of the sylabi and mail to you.

R

 

It evidently doesn't apply to college degrees. States like Oregon can deny full recognition to legally-approved degrees from states like Wyoming.

It evidently doesn't apply to professional licenses. Any lawyer, engineer, or CPA can tell you that states have different licensing requirements, and that reciprocity is not necessarily guaranteed. It is not unusual for a legally licensed professional in State A to be denied the right to practice in State B.

It evidently doesn't apply to driver's licenses. States have different requirements for things like minimum driving age or vision aids. A 15-year-old driver may be able to get a valid license from State A, but even so, he can be banned from driving in State B, where the minimum driving age is 16.

It evidently doesn't apply to marriage licenses. Many states have recently enacted laws that explicitly deny recognition to out-of-state same-sex marriage licenses.

I'm no lawyer, but it seems pretty clear that in practice, states can (and do) reject legal out-of-state credentials if they are not consistent with in-state requirements.

 

SCUPs does not have conventional regional or national accreditation. However, SCUPs programs, like the PsyD or JD programs, do have explicit approval from various California state licensing boards. This goes beyond the ordinary state approval to operate; it serves, in effect, as a form of professional accreditation.

Because of the Board approvals, SCUPS grads are eligible to take California professional licensing exams. Those who pass the exams gain credible, independent validation of their education. Again, this is not "accreditation" in the normal sense, but it serves the same purpose.

Think about it this way -- would you still recommend the SCUPS PsyD program, if (hypothetically) it were to lose its approval from the California Psychology Board?

 

Wow! Wonder if state A could deny recognition to state B's hetero marriage licenses.

 

Granted, that is what states do; but can they? In other words, it is what's done in practice; but is it constitutional?

 

Very well said.

 

Just to emphasis the point further that Morlyel writes stuff that is not really true, Great Britian is a diploma mill haven with their flabbergasting rule that says diploma mills are okay as long as they don't sell their silly diplomas to anyone within Great Britian.

 

What is the role of marriage in interstate commerce?

 

According to Wikipedia, the answer to both questions is "yes" :

I would expect the same to be true for professional licenses. California, for example, will not honor professional civil engineering licenses issued by other states; they demand that all Civil PE applicants pass a rigorous supplemental exam on seismic design, even if they have been licensed for many years in (say) Florida. Out-of-state engineers routinely complain about this requirement, but it's existed for decades, has a defensible "public policy" basis, and has never (to my knowledge) been challenged on constitutional grounds.

 

Well, let's see here ... if two people meet through one of them online dating services and if one crosses state lines to be with the other and if they end up getting married, is that an example of the role of marriage in interstate commerce?

 

Can this be extended to now closed and labeled as diploma mill Kensington (Glendale CA and Hawaii)?

I remember reading in Bear guide that they had 60% success in Bar exams.

Just curious

Learner