PCDI/Ashworth College - MHC Degree

Stop it, Jimmy! I'm gettin' all misty-eyed, here.

 

I mean it, now. I'm runnin' outta' Kleenex, here. Stop it! [sniffle]

 

Unfortunantly in my line of work I have had to:

Give a copy of any diplomas
Give a copy of any transcript
Give a 10 year work history (all the way back to High School)
Authorize a credit check
Get fingerprinted
Get psychoanalyzed (seriously)
Take a bunch of tests
Some more tests
Piss in a cup....more than a couple of times
Provide hair sample if piss test bombs
Give copy of DL
Give copy of SS Card
Get a physical
Get physical (like that play on words? I know you snickered)
etc.
etc.
etc.

So I guess a transcript really doesn't bother me all in all.

 

I'll let 'em see it, but they don't get a copy.

Again, I've let them see it, but never given it for them to keep.

My qualifications brief happens to already do that, so no biggie there.

I've never done that and never will.

I've done that. They get to know that I'm really me; and that I have no criminal history. And some state jobs absolutely require it. So no problem there.

I went through that once as part of a pre-employment screening. And I got offered the job. In my "thanks, but no thanks letter" I pointed-out that any employer that had no more respect for its employees than what putting me through all that showed was someone I'd never work for under any circumstances.

I'll do that as part of a pre-employment physical exam; but I've let every employer I've ever worked for know that if I'm ever asked to do it as part of a surprise drug check, they lose me, on the spot. So they have to decide, in advance, how bad they want that sample. No one could be more anti-drug than me, anyway. If they can't figure that out after 15 minutes of working with me, then they're stupid anyway.

Again, they pretty know what would happen if they ever asked me for that.

Again, I'll let them see it. They can even write stuff down from it. But no copy.

Again, they can see it, but no copying.

I've done that. No problem.

Why, yes... I did!

People aren't careful enough about their privacy. I'm a privacy advocate from way back. I help support the Electronic Frontier Foundation and all kinds of other such organizations. Employers don't get to know all the things they think they get to know. No one does. As for as respect for privacy goes, it's a terrible, terrible direction this nation's gone in the past decade or two. A terrible direction.

 

I'm sure he is Rev. Clifton. I have nothing against him, I just figure he could have been less "abrasive" to me. I try to be compassionate. but gosh-darn-it if I'm to be someone's play toy on this forum for asking what seems to them at the time to be a silly question.

I'm simply looking for knowledge on schools, programs, and the like...so I don't end up working with a school that's going to burn me in the future. That was my overall point in posting my original question in the first place.

Post note: If for nothing else, I wish DesElms could understand that I need help without attitude from folks on here like him. Warm and inviting, as opposed to harsh or abrasive.

 

See! I told him he'd be back! "On to the next thing," indeed.

Man, Rev -- can I call you "Rev?" -- you're the first person to make me say, "Oh, c'mon" twice in one thread. "Play toy?" Please. This ain't prison, ya' know.

But you're a natural. Don't waste it!

And now you know that Ashworth won't. You still haven't really thanked me... at least not not-disingenuously.

Apparently you do!

Which you promised us you wouldn't come back here and make... not that I'm not happy you did, mind you. But I'm just sayin'.

(Man, is this easy. Hmm. Maybe this is prison!)

 

I'll take "knowledgable and an asset" over "harsh and abrasive" any day.

This is the part where I say: "BIG HUGE HINT".

 

Rev... please don't make me say, "Oh, c'mon," a third time. I'm wearin' it out!

And this is the part where I say: "YOU'RE OUT MATCHED!"

(Hey! I think we're on our way to a haiku here or somethin'!)

 

A copy of your diploma(s)? Get psychoanalyzed? What line of work are you in? Would your employer refuse to hire someone who lost his/her diploma(s)? Would your employer refuse to hire manic-depressives, even if their condition were controlled through medication and/or psychotherapy?

 

DesElms,

I'd normally enjoy this back and forth thing we got going on (and in almost any other occasion I would not mind it...yeah, its sick...but every once in a while I get bored too), but I simply don't have that kind of time right now. In all fairness and honesty to you, you've been put on my ignore list. I need to focus on folks who can help without all the drama. Maybe later, I'll argue with you on something else.

So, feel free to go pick on someone else.

Blessings.

P.S.: "Rev." is the customary designation when added with a person's name. Its like using the abbreviation of 'Dr." by comparison. But of course, you probably know that.

 

DesElms,

If must have been awhile since you last applied for a job. Many, many businesses ask for DL, SS card, transcripts, permission for credit report as part of the regular job application process. I've had to do a lot of these things at most every job for which i've ever applied.

The only place I had to pee in a cup was in the military.

 

But apparently you do! Under the circumstances, do you not see the folly of your making the claim here?

(Why does an image of fish, and a gun, and a barrel keep flashing through my mind, here?)

Oooh. Ouch. That's gonna' leave a mark.

But still you're reading this right now, aren't you? Oops! Sorry... can't pretend you weren't now. You're busted.

I repeat: The only one who skewered you, here, was you.

Actually, I'd prefer not to. You're the reason this happened.

Yet a fourth time you tempt me to use "Oh, c'mon!" in a single thread. Man! I'm not sure how many more times this flint will spark!

Disingenuousness just sort of comes naturally to you, doesn't it.

Why... why, no... I... I didn't. You... you've... why... you've... mygod... I can't believe it! My... why, my... my eyes are finally opened! Thank you! Oh, thank you! I was blind, but now... er... well... oh, you know the rest.

I'm not saying they didn't ask. I'm saying they didn't get what they asked for... at least not precisely as they requested it. I'm not saying they can't, if it's truly necessary, see whatever they'd like to see... short of my credit report, that is. I'm just saying that they only get to see certain things, but not have copies of them.

The employer must decided how badly they want to hire me. If they want me bad enough, then they do it my way, and they respect my privacy. If they don't, they won't. Simple as that.

I've gotten plenty of offers -- and jobs -- under those circumstances. Maybe they just wanted me enough to accept my terms. Who knows. I'm just telling you that no one I've ever worked for has gotten a credit report on me, or has a copy of certain of my personal documents. I'm not saying they didn't ask. And I'm not saying I didn't show them pretty much, with only an exception or two, what they asked for. But when they said, "Excuse me while I go make copies of these," I said, "not so fast, there, Sparky," and stopped them; and then explained why they weren't going to get a copy.

Even the IRS forms that employers must fill out to verify identity and citizenship (or a green card, as apporpriate), etc., do not state that a copy of same must be attached thereto. Employers who think they have to keep a copy have not carefully read the form; and have made gross(ly wrong) assumptions. The government only requires that the employer see the documents that the form requires, and then simply check the boxes and write-in other information to indicate, under oath and penalty of perjury, that they did.

Yeah, but three-day drunks while on leave don't count!

But seriously... now I find that interesting, because many employers now require that. Or are you saying that you've worked for some that did, but they just didn't happen to actually make you do it?

 

The best kind of work there is....Government work.

 

wow, you really tore him a new one DesElms!!

You are soooo cool........

 

oops

"...an atheist, an irreligious libertine, or a fool..."

 

No, I'm not.

And the fact that you think that that was the point clearly shows that you completely missed the point.

 

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Originally posted by firstmode4c
wow, you really tore him a new one DesElms!!

You are soooo cool........
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No, I'm not.
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Yes you are

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And the fact that you think that that was the point clearly shows that you completely missed the point.

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I did not miss the point, you just do not see the error in your ways.

 

interesting thread.... I'm still evaluating options and Ashworth is up there. My purpose for seeking an MBA is career progression to Director level in a large healthcare orgianization. I would like name recognition of a "UT System" or "A&M (Commerce)", but want the low costs of an "Ashworth". I want flexibility in timeframes (a la Ashworth). I don't want to break the bank/get into debt for my MBA in the short term, but know this would be an excellent long term investment. If I go with Ashworth, will I look back five/ten years from now, wishing I had splashed out the extra for UT or A&M? If I have a MBA on my resume will my current employer (for promotion) or future employer (if I change companies) really care where it came form - or is this just for my own personal hang-up? Will an "unknown" intrernet university carry any less weight in an employer's mind than a well-recognised name?

These are some of the questions I'm asking myself - I'm not soliciting answers, just wanted to express my situation I hope to start my MBA after November, so I have a few more months to scan the board and ponder my next move. From what I have read, my own dilemas are not uncommon, and there are many others who seem in similar positions.

In the end, I'll probably follow my gut instinct - but I appreciate reading the views of other on the Board who are considering, undergoing or completed graduate courses at Ashworth, UT, A&M Commerce and all other online providers, as this will greatly help me in coming to a decision in the end.

Thanks to those (you know who you are) who take time out to advise those such as myself !!

 

Hi Texascot:

My hunch would be to go with the "name" school if you can swing it financially. I have no gripe with Ashworth whatever, but the less people know about DL, the more likely you are to get some bang for your buck with a "name" school on your resume.

Welcome aboard, too. Oh, and just for the record, you won't find more thorough and thoughtful responses than from Gregg DesElms. Watch out for petulant posters who haven't learned to subdue their passions and who do not seek to improve themselves in distance learning.

Best wishes to you.

Janko Preotul

 

AND you may not like the way DesElms says what he says, but if you look at what he has to say about the school, you'll see he knows a lot and thankfully shares it. Well, at least I'm thankful he shares what he shares. He has been blunt with me too. Actually, DesElms is blunt with most of us.

Really so I'm not the only one ???????

Now back to the discussion

I would never recomend a degree program that is not professionaly accredited.

In the MBA arena this may be a little deferent but I would go for
MBA that is RA + ACBSC

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