Patriot University

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Disciple, May 15, 2004.

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  1. Disciple

    Disciple New Member

  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    OT. New B&M school specializing in home-schooled students. Has a significant Christian 'tude.
     
  3. Disciple

    Disciple New Member

    Is it another less-than-wondeful school or just a non-regionally accredited christian distance school... is it a mill?
     
  4. jerryclick

    jerryclick New Member

    It seems to me that someone well known (memory fails here) wrote a book, and his Doctorate was attacked because it was not from an RA school. The response was that Patriot is legally operating under a religious exemption. It would appear from their website that their primary mission is to train those wishing to go into the ministry field. Since the degrees appear to be all religious in nature, i.e. D.Min, M.A in Christian Ministry, etc, it would appear that it is not a mill. Can't tell much about quality of course material. If you are considering entering the ministry, you may want to check with your denomination (Baptist.org or whatever) and see what it is thought of there. If you are considering a field other than ministry/religious education, a degree from Patriot may not have much utility just because it is not RA.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Ignore this post. I confused Patriot with another school. Sorry about that.
     
  6. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Why in the world are you asking us?

    Think about it: If you enroll in it simply for the education it provides, you need to decide for yourself whether or not the education it provides seems valuable to you. If you intend to earn and use a degree from this place, it will be up to you to find a niche application that accepts the school, or else be able to convince skeptics of the school's credibility. That would all be on you if you were considering studying at a school like this.

    But for whatever it's worth, here's my personal opinion:

    The school does offer DL. That seems to be all that it offers. They are rather defensive about the fact that they operate out of a small building next to a church and tell us that they have been attacked as a degree-mill in the past. (Those damn evolutionists.)

    http://www.patriotuniversity.com/buildings.asp

    http://www.patriotuniversity.com/PriceOfTruth.asp

    They operate on a Colorado religious exemption. It's interesting to see how many religion schools use that exemption (though some are branches of accredited out of state seminaries). It seems that secular degree granting schools in Colorado are required to be on a recognized accreditation track.

    http://www.state.co.us/cche/colleges/sem&bible.html

    They are rather dismissive of accreditation but may or may not be claiming unrecognized accreditation:

    http://www.patriotuniversity.com/accreditation.asp

    Here's their graduate course descriptions. While these classes may have considerable value for certain students, I think that both the lineup of courses and their individual descriptions are pretty weak from an institution that purports to offer advanced degrees up to the doctoral level. The fact that they are designed to be completed in three to six weeks isn't reassuring.

    http://www.patriotuniversity.com/gradcourse.asp

    How are the classes delivered? They send you a workbook, written by them, that asks T/F, multiple choice, fill-in-the-blanks and some short answer questions. This is accompanied by a textbook (that may also have been written by them) or an audio tape. This doesn't sound like graduate level, or even university level work.

    http://www.patriotuniversity.com/coursesample.asp

    Despite those obvious weaknesses, they go into a whole thing about how they are a curriculum-based based institution as opposed to teacher-based. That supposedly justifies their lack of a faculty.

    http://www.patriotuniversity.com/curriculumbasis.asp

    My personal opinion? I think that these classes may have value for somebody who is looking for some rather hard-fundie individual DL classes for their own edification. (There are much better options.) But I don't really consider this place a university level institution of higher education and I don't think that its degrees look very credible.
     
  7. AlnEstn

    AlnEstn New Member

    ?Creationist? Kent Hovind got a Ph.D. from Patriot.
    Hovind's site is - http://www.drdino.com/index.jsp

    Here is a discussion of Hovind's dissertation - http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm

    Here is a not so flattering challenge to Hovind, his education and work (one with which I do not totally agree) -http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/hovind.htm

    If my memory serves me correctly, I believe Levicoff (sp?) or Walston has discussed Patriot.

    Patriot seems to be one to avoid...
     
  8. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    In the '60s, I was having fun with the Millard Fillmore Institute, giving silly honorary degrees to people I liked, or who asked nicely for one. There was a request to send one as a gift to a person I didn't know -- something like a Doctor of Universal Love -- which was done.

    A couple of years later, there was this name, a Dean of Patriot University, listing in their catalog a "Ph.D." from "Willard Fillmore Institute." (In Old English characters, the capital M and W look similar.)

    That was the only time (as far as I know) that someone actually tried to use the thing. I did write to the president of Patriot, who replied noncommittally by thanking me for the information.
     
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    When my wife & I applied to pre-school for our 2 1/2 year old boy/girl twins, I couldn't resist the opportunity. There was a section on the application titled "Other accomplishments of your child". I filled in their Millard Fillmore doctorates.

    We got back responses that totally ignored those noteworthy educational achievements. :D
     
  10. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    So how come they're not contributing to the Alumni Fund, Bruce? They can endow a chair for $9.95. (The K-Mart Lawn Chair of Leisure Studies, that is.)
     
  11. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    You still have K-Mart?

    You know whats sad, is that certain think that you ran Filmore as a legitimate school...... When it was nothing more than a joke. So sad on their parts....
     

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