Online Masters in Artificial Intelligence - Switzerland

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  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    Hey All, I was looking at a Masters in Artificial Intelligence program and found this one in Switzerland
    The program is 3 semesters long (18 months) and at $6000 CHF (roughly $6556 USD)
    This seems like an affordable option, letting you all know about the program and decide for yourself.

    Online Masters in Artificial Intelligence - Switzerland
    Program info link:
    Program details link:
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Nice to see a real Swiss School offering distance degrees. Not some cantonal-permission fly-by-night offering papers of dubious standing that won't fly -anywhere. Noticed they have a lot more degrees in French and German. Natural, I guess. It IS Switzerland. The AI degree requires your company's participation. 40% of your time will be spent on an AI project at work - agreed on and funded by your employer.

    If this school's degrees travel as well as I THINK they should - they appear to be very good value.

    Confirmed - they have accreditation as a University Institute from the Swiss Accreditation Council. (Schweizerische Akkreditierungsrat) - Saw the cert. On their FB site.
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's 40% of your study time - not necessarily 40% of your at-work hours. Just thought I should make that clear.
  4. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    So, how many of you have noticed that nowhere in their web site do they call their master's (or, for that matter, their bachelor's) a "degree?" This is yet another example of how some European countries are using the nomenclature of a degree without actually purporting to grant a degree.

    Call me xenophobic, but reading their tripe convinces me that there is nothing good about Switzerland except for wrist watches, chocolate, cheese, and a place to which the Von Trapp family could escape from the Nazis in The Sound of Music.

    So, am I suggesting that one should write off all allegedly Swiss programs that have been discussed here on DI? Damn right I am. And those in Spain and Poland as well. If you ever have to use the word propio to describe your credentials, you have been screwed. And I, of course, will laugh at you (as I always do).
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    They DO, Steve. The brochures are in French and/or German. "TITRE DELIVRÉ Master of Science (MSc) in Artificial Intelligence," That's Degree issued etc etc.

    And I, of course, am ROFLMFAO at YOU... for once. :) :) :)

    "Tell me, how does it feel...
    Tell me how does it feel?

    To be on your own
    Like a rollin' stone." (Apologies to Bob Dylan)
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    OK. If you insist - with pleasure. Have pleasant giggles, Bubbeleh. :p And I can call you that because I'm a bit older than you.
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  7. asianphd

    asianphd Member

    What if you take a Master's on ML/AI from a university in India (for the PG Diploma) and top-up from a UK university (for the MSc). You get 2 alumni membership!
    It only cost 7499!
    Personally, I am enrolling in the PG Diploma right now. I am thinking to upgrade for the MSc. But the university also offers Astrophysics too!

    I am interested in Astrophysics but I don't have a solid understanding of Astronomy and advanced Physics. So I took the course here:
    It may help me to earn admission to the Astrophysics program.

    Hope it helps!
  8. mintaru

    mintaru Member

    FernUni Schweiz (the German name) is also a public school. By the way, the main difference between a Swiss university and a university institute is the fact that only universities have the right to grant doctorates.
  9. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    I'm delighted that yuou're laughing, Johann, but I stand my ground. Titre Delivré literally translates to "title issued." Still not a degree. Their use of M.Sc. is literally no diffferent than the proprios who use M.B.A. without calling it a degree. This school still amounts to Swiss cheerser - full of holes.
    No different than ever - I've always held to the highest standards, and will continue not to be overly influenced by the cheap, quick, easy argument. People who pursue that route, which is how I interpret the European shams, end up screwing themselves.
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed. I looked up FernUni Schweiz as well. Thanks for confirming it, mintaru. I sort of surmised it, looking at this school and seeing no doctorates. I think we can agree it is not a 'sham' as Dr. Levicoff thinks.
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The idiomatic translation is the one that counts, Steve. You look this term up and you'll find it's "degree issued." A person who is forced to rely on literal translations - or attempts to force others to do so - has a very incomplete grasp of a language. Better than none, perhaps, but still incomplete. You've probably encountered such situations yourself, in religious studies - people who sometimes take literal translations of ancient texts too seriously, because they don't know other meanings.

    And those Spanish and Latin American degrees are propios, not "proprios." And they are degrees. They're 'titulos propios' - 'own degrees' meaning degrees that the school issues on its own hook - 100% permitted, but without specific approval from the governing authority. Same term for degree that looks like 'title' in English. Spanish 'titulo' -French 'titre' -German 'Titel.' All degrees.

    I love Switzerland. Four official languages and they make it work -plus frequent English. We in Canada can't even get it right with two. I have to laugh at that.

    I repeat. These University Institutes are good schools and award good degrees. Just no doctorates.
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  12. innen_oda

    innen_oda Active Member

    To be fair to the Canucks, you have about as much chance finding someone in Zurich who speaks Romansh or Italian as you do finding someone in Edmonton who speaks French.

    This degree looks legit-ish . . . but something about their website address is making my spidey sense tingle. Distanceuniversity dot ch? Really? Was there no other domain they could come up with?
  13. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    That's called a typo. I've never said that I don't make them, especially when I don't want to waste time spell checking DI posts.
    I trust, then, that on this we can agree to disagree.

    All I see when I review recent threads is that the primary thread on propios at has over 75 posts at this point. While many of them go off topic (into subjects ranging from languages to religion to jazz and blues), the essential point I get is that they are largely evaluated to be at the bachelor's level and that none of them are regarded as full-tilt master's degrees.

    Therefore, I submit that anyone who earns a propio will potentially spend a lot of time attempting to defend their credentials. That is something that those with full, legitimately accredited (which, yes, I take to mean RA - a position I have held for some 30-ish years) degrees will not have to do.
    I agree, except for the first part of the sentence. To those who know what to look for in terms of warning signs, they do not look legit at all. Those who pursue them thinking they are legit and after reading this forum are in what many would call d-e-n-i-a-l.

    That's my final word on this topic, which I find quite boring. After all, I will never have to defend myself for having one of these propio thingeys. Besides, if y'all haven't noticed based on the infrequency of my posts alone (especially when compared with the regulars whose names constantly show up on the first few pages of this forum), I do not live at DI. (In other words, my dear friends and acquaintances, get a life outside of DI.)
  14. innen_oda

    innen_oda Active Member

    Saying something 'looks legit-ish' should not be taken to add to the evaluation of legitimacy. I might say your pumpkin spice latte smells pumpkin-ish, but I assume you understand I do not therefore believe it to be a pumpkin.
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I could have busted your balls for a bit. So I just concede: a two-year part-time "nontraditional" (that's caveman for "online", kids) PhD in "religion" and "law" from a school with no department of either is vastly superior to a "titulo propio". Vastly, I say. I would even believe that you have not had to defend it, but cut the [email protected] will you: of course you had. You were in the right, of course (the thing is RA after all), but people did and still do look down on it and you know it.

    I curious though: where did you get the notion that a Swiss degree we discuss here can be described by a Spanish word "propio"? Because this sounds like sheer delusion, on your part.
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    In fairness to Dr. Levicoff (though I'm not bound by it) I think he was discussing Swiss degrees and Spanish propios as two different things. First, he took aim at Swiss degrees, then swivelled around and blasted away with this: "And those in Spain and Poland as well. If you ever have to use the word propio to describe your credentials, you have been screwed. And I, of course, will laugh at you (as I always do)." Just a wide-angle blast of the paintball gun, fragging everything in sight - but in sequential order.

    And my point on titulos propios, Dr. Steve, if you are still reading was this: they are DEGREES. I didn't say they are good/bad. You may think of them however you like. Whatever a foreign evaluator equates them to does not alter the fact: In Spain, where they are awarded, they are degrees. - at whatever level the legitimate Spanish University awarding them says they are. Not something else. That's the receiving country's call.

    In other news. FernUni Schweiz (this school) is at the same address in Brig as Fernfachhochschule Schweiz. I take it that FernUni is Fernfachhochschule's branch-operated Institute. Fernfachhochschule's degrees are listed as H+ (OK) on Anabin. There is no separate listing at all for FernUni Schweiz. Can mintaru or another Euro-knowledgeable poster confirm that FernUni's degrees are good-to-go in Germany? If they are, that clinches the deal. If not, I'll slink away in shame -- for an hour or two. :)

    And "literally," a Hochschule is High School. But you won't find 13 and 14 year old Grade Niners in the halls. Idiomatically, it's College/University Level. A degree-granting school. Same as "Titel" = degree.
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  17. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - they could indeed have chosen a better English name. But FernUni in German sounds OK to me (a non-German) and it means exactly the same thing, so... I dunno.
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks Mac. That was quick! Confirmed then. The degrees of this school are acceptable in Germany. "If they can make it there, they can make it anywhere." Apologies to my favourite Indonesian singer - Frank Sumatra :)

    I'm sure Dr. Levicoff still doesn't like it. His prerogative.

    My Prerogative (Bobby Brown)

    "They say I'm crazy
    I really don't care
    That's my prerogative
    They say I'm nasty
    But I don't give a damn.."

    Neither do I. :)
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  20. innen_oda

    innen_oda Active Member

    Ha. When a city is bustling with people and activity, Hungarians say 'big city today!' Sounds fine in Hungarian, but quite stupid in English.

    Ruining other languages seems to be English's speciality.

    All the more reason non-natives should run things by native speakers before registering their hideously generic domain.
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