IEE evaluation of Spanish Titulos Propios for Graduate Credit

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  1. smartdegree

    smartdegree New Member

    IEE, a NACES member, will evaluate the Spanish Titulo Propio for graduate credit.

    "These should be considered graduate-level credit, but not equivalent to a master’s degree.

    Even though they fall outside the official education system, it does not diminish the rigor and quality of the academic work."

    See page 38

    https://shelbycearley.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/2019-tacrao_credential-quandaries_presentation-1.pdf

    Here's a link to their website for credential evaluation.
    https://www.myiee.org/
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2020
  2. smartdegree

    smartdegree New Member

    This makes me want to seriously consider the ENEB / UI1 masters in big data. I was thinking of doing a coursera professional certificate but this might be a (hard to believe) a more solid credential if it equates to real graduate credit. I already have an MBA from a US News/FT ranked full-time program and just want to top off with a technical qualification since I am currently a consultant in marketing analytics.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is helpful, and it's certainly a much better take than the evaluator who say it's akin to a top up program, but we still have like 13 NACES members to go and it will still be interesting to see whether any of them report this as equivalent to a U.S. Master's degree.
     
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  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    If they're consistent with the evaluation, then we might have discovered a gold mine of graduate transfer credit.

    Just speculating here, but since Amberton is not AACSB and has a couple of Master's programs with very flexible course requirements, I could see them accepting some of these credits for a huge cost savings.

    No guarantees, of course! Again, just speculating!!!
     
  5. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    I'm wondering if IEE might evaluate them as a PGDip or PGCert then, since it is graduate-level coursework with credits equal to 1 year of study.

    Seems promising though :D
     
  6. smartdegree

    smartdegree New Member

    I wish the same :)
    Much more likely they evaluate as the equivalent of one-year of graduate-level coursework or 30-36 graduate credits.

    So I guess it would be listed like this on a resume?

    Masters in XXX (credential evaluated as 30 graduate credits)
    ENEB / U Isabel 1
     
  7. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    I'm not Canadian, but I'd probably list it as:
    The articulation agreement between ENEB and UI1 says that UI1 issues its own full degree, so I would never list ENEB on my resume, just UI1
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    There's no reason to append a third party opinion of one's credential on your resume. The awarding institution says it's a Master's degree. So said, so done.
     
  9. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    True enough. I gave that as how I'd list it if I was hell-bent on listing it as evaluated, probably only relevant for government jobs. I'll eventually get this evaluated in Australia specifically for the reason that a degree/qualification issued in Australia OR approved by someone who evaluates for the AQF is able to say "AQF Level X" after the name.
     
  10. Asymptote

    Asymptote New Member

    Would this transfer over handsomely to Excelsior’s programs?
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Excelsior only accepts from two NACES services one being ECE.
    It is a bit expensive to get a NACES ECE evaluation. The other challenge is transcript, Isabel 1 does not provide transcript but it comes from ENEB. I am not sure how ECE would perceive this. The whole issue is new so the only way to do it is by trying but I think you will find some challenges due to the lack of transcript from Isabel 1.
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes and no. If I live in Canada or the US, this is not a Masters degree but a 30 credit diploma.
    The problem is the transcript and how the diploma is worded. The transcript is issued by ENEB and the diploma does not stated granted but certified by Isabel, it does also state that the degree was given by ENEB. So it is really worded almost like an evaluation certificate. I am not so sure how this will be taken by a NACES evalution service so someone would need to try before making assumptions.
     
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  13. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    That's like saying the Heriot-Watt MBA that was evaluated as an Associate's should be listed as "MBA Heriot Watt (Equivalent to Associate's degree per WES)"
    Still, agree to disagree.

    I'm not talking about NACES specifically, I'm talking about listing it on a resume and assuming nothing - just going on what we know for sure. The articulation agreement is specified here and reads:
    Which translates roughly to:
    Someone on the sister forum mentioned and showed evidence that you receive a confirmation code for the UI1 system which says nothing about ENEB, but just shows that you've earned the title from Isabel.

    Unless I start applying for USGOV, I'll just leave NACES and ENEB out of it.
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I completed a diploma with ENEB and Isabel and the diploma reads (translation in English) "program taught by Escuela de Negocios Europea de Barcelona" and certified by "Universidad International Isabel 1 de Castilla".

    So it reads as a validated degree or diploma by Isabel and the name of ENEB is in the face of the diploma. The transcript only has ENEB, a problem if you want to show it to a NACES evaluator.

    The ethical way in my opinion would be to put in your CV "MBA, taught by ENEB and certified by Universidad International Isabel 1 de Castilla".

    You did complete the degree with ENEB and not Isabel, Isabel just certifies the the diploma.

    How this would be perceived by WES or other NACES evaluator? I believe that some might not accept it, some will take at as credit from Isabel and some might even take it as a American MBA. You would need to try it as most American degrees do not say "Taught by Company X but certified by University Y".
     
  15. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    I'm going to skip the rest of it because I've already mentioned the constraints of my argument. I don't doubt that credential evaluators may have difficulties with these things or be less than understanding, I just don't think everyone will need to bother with credential evaluation in the first place, unless it is a legal or regulatory matter.

    Yes, your method would certainly be one of the ethical ways to list the degree, but not the only one. The articulation agreement clearly states that UI1 issues its own degree to the program, something reflected in the school's practices. Thus, I do not believe it is an ethical issue to list the diploma as coming from UI1. Why? Because it does.
    To act ethically usually means to act morally and in good faith. I consider it good faith to list the degree as coming from Isabel for the exclusive reason that it does. I'm not talking about getting a SimpliLearn certificate that says, "Designed by Purdue" and putting, "Postgraduate Diploma in Data Science, Purdue University." I'm taking a degree issued by a school and disclosing relevant information for the purposes of employment and listing it as being awarded by Isabel because that's what the agreement states and that's where the qualification comes from. If you consider that unethical, then our ethics are lightyears apart and, once again, we should just agree to disagree.

    I was in charge of hiring for my old company and am in charge of hiring for my current company. I would consider it entirely ethical and disclosed properly to list this as "MBA, Isabel I University," but would throw out a candidate almost immediately if they listed, "MBA, taught by ENEB and certified by Isabel I University" because they wouldn't be a good fit for my workplace if they are too dense to tailor their communication to the audience in something as simple as a resume. Case in point, I had a guy come in for an interview (recommended by an employee) at my old job. He listed, "Bachelor of Science in Network Operations and Security, Western Governors University, taught exclusively online" on his resume. Guess who didn't get into the second round of interviews? I have a WGU degree, I even took a nonstandard pathway into the nonstandard school, so it wasn't that. It's that he bothered to list "taught exclusively online" and his personality was exactly what you would expect from someone who has to pedantically list out all of the details of their degree for no good reason.
     
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I could see that confusing the heck out of those whom it might concern.
     
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  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    You actually get two diplomas, one granted by ENEB and the second a certificate from Isabel. So it is not ok to mention ENEB but it is OK to mention Isabel because it sounds to pedantically to put ENEB?

    OK, so I guess it would sound even worse if I listed as "MBA, Isabel U. ($149 + taxes) earned from a pure online Spanish University and not officially recognized by the government of Spain". I guess being too honest takes me out of the game.

    It is OK, I just dont mention my diploma in my resume as it seems to complicated to declare it.
     
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I was curious about how other people list it, the lady below actually lists both masters degree. The earned by ENEB and the one from Isabel 1. She lists several similar Masters degrees so I guess it is normal in Spain to list 6 or 8 masters degrees in a CV.
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/vilobe/?originalSubdomain=es
     
  19. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    Nah, it just sounds too pedantic to list both in that mess of a word salad. Tbh I'd take a person more seriously if they listed "MBA, European Business School in Barcelona" or "MBA, ENEB" than if they listed the "ethical" version you proposed.

    It would come off weird, like listing "MBA, Harvard University" and then "MBA, Western Governors University" in the same resume, if you did "MBA, ENEB" and "MBA, UI1."

    If you really wanted to list it, why not list it like a campus? For example, "MBA; Harvard University, Harvard Business School" is pretty common, so why not, "MBA; Isabel I University, European Business School of Barcelona," hm?
    It would look weird, but not terrible, because it would be like writing, "MBA; Western Governors University, College of Business."

    Lol, this reminds me of something though. This guy I worked with went to Ashworth and we were talking about how to list his degree in tandem with his 7 years of IT experience. He, knowing about the BSNOS guy, jokingly said he'd list it as "Bachelor's Degree of Business Administration, Ashworth College, a distance-learning, competency-based, self-paced university that costs $1,000 per term and carries accreditation through the DEAC which everyone knows is substandard but technically still legal."
     
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  20. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Member

    This Masters Proprio stuff is very interesting. I can understand how it could be evaluated as less than a Masters though because you earn graduate-level credit but the degree is not official. All of this is weird because there is no universal answer with even more bizarre outcomes with them being evaluated as equivalent to an undergraduate degree. Therefore, you just have to shop around for a foreign equivalency company that will give you what you desire. It's the same as the Azteca/UCN situation I will be in when I finish my degree since Azteca awards their graduate degrees as Proprio but with its validation with UCN gets the desired equivalency degree. There are only two approved NACES evaluators that will give that report from what I hear. I think it is Spantran and ERES. All the rest will just evaluate the graduate hours.

    Try Spantran or ERES and someone let us know if they get the equivalency of a Masters degree.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2020
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