Online DHA - 12 months - $15k

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  1. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    The list shows that most are military, research institutes, or medical.
     
  2. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    If you're going to keep moving the goalposts to justify yourself, we can't have a real conversation.

    Stanford has more graduate students than undergrad: Enrollment | Institutional Research & Decision Support.
    MIT, similarly, is 62% graduate students against 38% undergrad: Enrollment Statistics – MIT Fact.

    Is Stanford having nearly 5000 students in their non-medical doctoral programs this year, or MIT over 4000 different than VUL's 400?
     
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  3. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    We are specifically speaking about doctoral-level graduates here, not graduate level students in general. Please find me a program that has more doctoral-level graduate students who graduate than their counterparts ' master's and undergraduate programs combined. The big picture issue here is that I'm pointing out 391 graduates were "DOCTORAL LEVEL GRADUATES," while only 20 were in any other program in the school—big red flag. No one is moving the goalpost here; it looks like my request is getting information unrelated to my original question when people are adding the factor of master 's-level programs or research institutes into the mix. To put it simply, find me a university where the graduation rate has more doctoral-level graduates than all the other school's programs at staggering numbers. I am an alumnus of VUL, and this is ridiculous.
     
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  4. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Northcentral University awarded 804 doctorates against 29 bachelor's degrees in 2019 according to Higher Ed Data Stories: All Degrees Awarded by US Colleges and Universities, 2019. Does 27x more doctorates count as staggering?

    According to the same source, the following schools award both doctorates and bachelor's degrees and awarded more doctorates. Yes, some of them are medical, research institutes, or military organizations. And many of them aren't.

    Northcentral University/CA
    Nova Southeastern University/FL
    Palmer College of Chiropractic/IA
    University of Maryland Baltimore/MD
    Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science/IL
    The University of Tennessee Health Science Center/TN
    Rush University/IL
    Loma Linda University/CA
    Life University/GA
    Alliant International University-San Diego/CA
    Medical University of South Carolina/SC
    Albany College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences/NY
    Touro University Nevada/NV
    Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center-Shreveport/LA
    Logan University/MO
    Parker University/TX
    University of Puerto Rico-Medical Sciences/PR
    The Chicago School of Professional Psychology at Los Angeles/CA
    Upstate Medical University/NY
    Northwestern Health Sciences University/MN
    National University of Health Sciences/IL
    Lincoln Memorial University/TN
    Bastyr University/WA
    Southern California University of Health Sciences/CA
    University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences/AR
    St. Louis College of Pharmacy/MO
    California Institute of Integral Studies/CA
    Cleveland University-Kansas City/KS
    The University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston/TX
    National University of Natural Medicine/OR
    California Intercontinental University/CA
    Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center-New Orleans/LA
    Taft University System/CO
    The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary/KY
    University of West Los Angeles/CA
    San Juan Bautista School of Medicine/PR
    American College of Education/IN
    University of Western States/OR
    Universidad Central Del Caribe/PR
    SUNY Downstate Health Sciences University/NY
    Palo Alto University/CA
    St. Thomas University/FL
    The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio/TX
    Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary/NC
    Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary/MO
    Abraham Lincoln University/CA
    Sofia University/CA
    South College/TN
    Carlos Albizu University-Miami/FL
    Southern California Seminary/CA
    Mesivtha Tifereth Jerusalem of America/NY
    Carlos Albizu University-San Juan/PR
    United States Sports Academy/AL
    Pacific States University/CA
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Thank you. This is clearly a vibes-based argument, and it's gotten tedious.
     
  6. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    interesting information you found but majority of those schools are medical schools awarding doctoral degrees in a medical field hence the higher number of gradautes.
     
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Northcentral University (now part of National University) is a different institution from North Central University.
     
  8. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    The research practicum course says

    "Prepares the student for doctoral research through faculty-supervised research experiences. Focuses on the research process, including developing a question, literature review, design and method, IRB, grant writing, subject recruitment, instrumentation, measurement, data collection, data analysis, interpretation of results, and dissemination of results."

    Do students complete a publishable paper during the program?
     
  9. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    No, not a publishable paper during the program, just an IRB application and a bit of research
     
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  10. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Interesting. Both Eastern and University of the Cumberlands told me that their IRB would only accept applications from PhD students for the experiments directly related to their dissertation, or from professors. I couldn't even wrangle an "IRB exempt" letter out of them for research clearly using non-human archival data.
     
  11. MasterChief

    MasterChief Active Member

    I joined VUL’s alumni Facebook group and there’s a push to formalize the alumni association. I think for VUL to be taken seriously, the President and her family members should be fired: Nepotism followed by years of incompetence. Don’t get me started about their lackluster sports program and controversy surrounding the coaches! The latest graduation (2025) was of interest as a few grads complained the administration failed to accommodate their disabilities and described in detail what happened. Worse yet, emails were ignored. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
     
  12. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The institutions VUL is being compared to are incomparable.

    VUL is not a specialty institution, such as a standalone law school or medical school or a former standalone business school (Thunderbird).

    Prior to the DHA, I think that VUL's only doctoral program was the DMin. For some reason, people are comparing VUL to institutions that have dozens of master's and doctoral programs. In no way is VUL like Northcentral (now National). Therefore, having almost all of your graduates come from one, very new doctoral program is unusual, especially since VUL is reportedly old. On top of that, VUL is not even a healthcare-focused institution.

    Can anyone name an old college that started a new doctoral program and, almost immediately, more than 95% of their graduates came from that ONE doctoral program?
     
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  13. FireMedic_Philosopher

    FireMedic_Philosopher Active Member

    At the present time the DHA appears to be the ONLY program at the school that is accepting students.

    The links for all other programs, at all other grade levels, have been disabled.

    Tell me again why anyone would enroll here??
     
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  14. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Because they want to earn a DHA.
     
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  15. FireMedic_Philosopher

    FireMedic_Philosopher Active Member

    I would be more worried about ruining my reputation at this point, given that the DHA appears to be the only program remaining at VUL.
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    They might be updating their website or just trying to hide their low-enrollment programs, which is every program other than the DHA. But if it turns out that the DHA is the only surviving program, I wouldn't recommend that anyone enroll. The school could close or lose its accreditation. Oklahoma State University is not that expensive, and VUL's price keeps going up. I don't know why someone would choose VUL over OSU, at this point.
     
  17. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

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  19. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Schools close, but how does that ruin someone's reputation?
     
  20. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    All of the schools on there are regionally accredited, and they actually give a reason why they made the top 10 list, each with a specific feature that makes their program a top candidate, unlike the 2024 list, which just listed VUL as number 1. This seems more like a realistic and "true list" based on facts. I do agree rankings are BS, but again, VUL was never the number 1 DHA program when there were so many options out there that were not even reviewed or listed.
     

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