Number of senior FBI & DOJ officials fired under POTUS

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Folks, this is the biggest political scandal certainly in my lifetime. It was the complete array of the Washington establishment against one man, Donald Trump. And it was purposed to destroy him, his family, his career, his businesses and to get him out of the office and to reverse the election results of 2016. And they never had a shred of evidence for any of it. It did not happen. The Russians had nothing to do with our election, they had nothing to do with the outcome, above and beyond what they normally tried to do, like the Chinese are always trying to sabotage. We’ve got enemies.

    The collusion that did happen took place between the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democrat National Committee, and Russia in the paying for and the creation of the Steele dossier, which serves as the bogus basis for everything.

    We now know, because of the release of transcripts, James Clapper — testifying under oath before various congressional committees.

    Quote: “I never saw any direct, empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or somebody in it was plotting or conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election.” Clapper testified to that in 2017! He testified! John Brennan did the same. These people were all testifying under oath that they hadn’t seen a shred of evidence that Trump or anybody in his campaign was plotting or conspiring or colluding with the Russians to meddle with the election.

    All the false news the left media fed the public on this bogus Russia collusion since 2016.
     
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  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    So, this grand conspiracy involved... waiting for Trump to be elected? The only candidate in 2016 who was undermined by the CIA was Hillary Clinton. In fact, Trump's admin cited his missteps ON THAT CASE to justify his firing. This is no "fake news", it's "history" by now.
    Trump campaign might not have coordinated Russia's meddling - but there was meddling, and it was for Trump's benefit. The very Mueller report which "exonerates" Trump also makes this point in great detail.
    Learner, you drank too much Kool Aid my friend.
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Active Member

    Our President tells many lies. More than any other President, he is not really lying to me or to Stanislav. Because we don't believe his lies. He is lying to people that believe his lies. Trumps lies are for your consumption, Lerner. Your grasp of political reality has been significantly weakened by President Trump's lies.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    It's funny how so many Democrats don't, even though she's on record as having talked about this decades ago when it actually happened.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    ...including to the guy who is on record of saying, last year, that what she talked about is "not sexual assault". If you go into details, proof is very thin, easy to fabricate, and hard to either confirm OR definitely disprove.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/
    https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/tara-reade-joe-biden-sexual-assault-accusation

    This is precisely how a good fake story would look like. Also, Russia is involved, and these guys are in business of fake stories since The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In fact, the two KGB gambits against dissident were (1) mental illness and (2) rape charges; how nice that both are thrown at Biden, and thrown from the Left. Sorry, but I'm absolutely convinced that Joe didn't do it.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    Michael Stern literally has #VoteBlue on his social media profiles, so I see little reason to take him seriously. And even the journalist you yourself cite believes Tara Reade's account is sincere, so your relating it to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is honestly pretty vile.
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Presumed innocent.
    These types of accusations against VP Biden or Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh and others are very damaging to any public figure. It can be abused by political rivals on both sides.
    Should the public, voters know that a candidate is accused of something? Or only if/when indited and found guilty?
    Why the accusers come out with the accusations after decades. this fact alone makes this suspiceous to me?
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    Stanislav, Mueller’s investigation is increasingly looked like a partisan sham designed to take down President Trump and reverse the 2016 election results.
    Partially thanks to a series of deleted text messages from a former agent PS.
    The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) revealed that Mueller’s investigation team wiped all of PS's text messages and other sensitive materials off his phone before handing it over to the Department of Justice. Questions arise regarding what else the Mueller team may have deleted.
    Stanislav, open your eyes.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Honestly, the Protocols is the earliest example of a fake story originating in Russia that I know. (well... some argue that the whole early Russian history as widely accepted is a fake story produced by Karamzin as commissioned by Catherine the Great, so... lots of experience) .
    Here:
    https://www.amazon.com/Disinformation-Strategies-Undermining-Attacking-Promoting/dp/1936488604/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1589072052&sr=8-1

    This is an account of Soviet industry of framing people, from a guy who participated in it directly. The Protocols made appearance. Reade story looks like an "active measure". Pacepa describes a pattern of something planted in the leftist circles, then laundered in mainstream Western media, then becoming common belief - exactly like this thing unfolds. Read it if you can; Gen. Pacepa lately came out as a Trump supporter, so can't accuse of bias there.
     
  10. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah... and that's why Mueller stopped short of saying that Trump commits crimes, after laying out all elements of obstruction charge on 10 counts. This makes all the sense in the world.
    Care to comment on Flynn dining next to Putin, after accepting money from Russia Today (which is I believe illegal)?
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Based on what the Inspector General (OIG) revealed that Mueller’s investigation team wiped all of PS's text messages and other sensitive materials off his phone before handing it over to the Department of Justice. Mueller stopped short for a reason.
    As to Flynn sitting next to Putin in Dec 2015, The photo shows the head table of a gala celebrating the tenth anniversary of Russia Today in December of 2015 with its participants.
    Indeed, in this photo, Flynn sat right next to Putin, but only for a couple of minutes and not for the dinner section of the event, as Putin did not even attend the dinner, according to eyewitnesses.

    Stanislav, there is more to this then we will ever know.
    Here is something I found and have no idea if this is true but it can be validated as there are account witnesses, Andersen was there as well as others.
    I quote:
    "The American spy in England used often by the Deep State, Stefan Halper, seated Flynn next to Putin and then it is suspected used this information as an informant for the Obama administration to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on General Flynn."
    As Wright says, "The spies who are plotting against President Trump are breaking U.S. laws.
    The vicious attack on Flynn is not a new development. There are many in the Intelligence Community who have been out to get Flynn for years because he exposed their failures in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelledeen/2017/02/26/the-flynn-assassination/#5d9c60931f03

     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    There's a video, Lerner. A video that not only shows Flynn sitting there, but actually starting a standing ovation for Putin after he said his speech. Flynn was paid to travel to this event, again - 10 years of Russia Today, a KGB propaganda front (not even front, outright wholly-owned subsidiary).

    So you are saying someone named Stefan Harper has authority to sit people next to Vladimir Vladimirovich "Huylo" Putin, who is a head of state and commander-in-chief of 2nd-strongest nuclear power and overall world's most powerful and prominent supervillain, and super-paranoid by nature and training. How plausible is this, Lerner? Common sense, remember that thing?

    According to Trump and Pence, Flynn lied to Trump and to Pence, about contacts with Russia AND his secret lobbying on behalf of Turkey. Drain the swamp, Lock Him Up, remember?
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    President Trump from the beginning of his campaign stated that he wanted to have a good relationship with Russia.

    A. The video is not for the dinner section of the event, as President Putin did not even attend the dinner, according to eyewitnesses.
    B. Flynn had to stand up because everyone else did.
    C. President Putin avoided shaking hands with Flynn when he came down the stage after the speech as it is shown in the video.

    Who arranged for General Flynn to seat at that table and precise details I don't know. This was Business in 2015 and only after 2016 elections and Dems with left media bogus Russia collusion bamboozle the public about Russia stealing the US ellections.
    It was main witch hunt for the 3 years.

    Under the Obama admin, I remember Medvedev visiting the US and one of our offices in NCal. Then it was accepted very warm by the left media.
    Russia became the issue after 2016 Dems failed elections.

    The video clip is here:

     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    I'm sorry, were we supposed to take something with a "deep state" reference seriously ?
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the video; seeing big honking "RT" logo sure makes everything look better. Not.
    A. I don't care.
    B. Bha-ha-ha!
    C. I most definitely not care.
    I like how you use full honorific "President Putin" to reference Huylo.
    It's real simple: the person who decides who will seat with Putin is Putin. Anyone not cleared with FSO beforehand will not go near the boss, or will be attacked. I'd like to think whoever sits with Trump, especially in public, is cleared with Trump, and known to Secret Service beforehand. It's even more true for Kremlin/mob/KGB tzar.
    You and I are not Obama administration. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, Lerner. Anyone in "business" with them in 2015, willingly... Remember that this is a former Military Intelligence chief, hustling with Russia effing Today and Huylo himself. And apparently not stopping hustling even after January 2017. And oh: Russia did interfere with 2016 elections, it's just fact.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    How do you call it?
    When officials use their power and lie to the public?
    For political gain, I think you can call it simply a state of affairs, dirty politics.

    During the Russia probe, according to a report by acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell.

    Biden’s name emerged in connection to the Flynn unmasking just a day after he denied any knowledge of the Flynn probe.

    “What did you know about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn, and was there anything improper done?” “Good Morning America” host George Stephanopoulos asked him Tuesday.

    “I know nothing about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn,” Biden said.

    WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Joe Biden and former FBI Director James Comey are among the top officials who worked to unmask Michael Flynn identity during the Russia probe, according to a report by acting Director of National Security Agency Director Paul Nakasone, who provided the list.

    The bombshell letter, was sent to Republican senators by Grenell as they seek to investigate the origins of the FBI’s malign probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Intelligence chiefs John Brennan and James Clapper are also included on the list of 23 named Obama-era officials who allegedly worked to reveal the identity of Flynn during the presidential transition period, as are Obama chief of staff Dennis McDonough and former US ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power.

    So I will not call it deep state , it was the state.
     
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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    General Flynn did this in open, it wasn't a secret meeting. It was a publicized event and not illegal in 2015.

    During the Russia probe, according to a report by acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell.

    Biden’s name emerged in connection to the Flynn unmasking just a day after he denied any knowledge of the Flynn probe.

    “What did you know about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn, and was there anything improper done?” “Good Morning America” host George Stephanopoulos asked him Tuesday.

    “I know nothing about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn,” Biden said.

    WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Joe Biden and former FBI Director James Comey are among the top officials who worked to unmask Michael Flynn identity during the Russia probe, according to a report by acting Director of National Security Agency Director Paul Nakasone, who provided the list.

    The bombshell letter was sent to Republican senators by Grenell as they seek to investigate the origins of the FBI’s malign probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Intelligence chiefs John Brennan and James Clapper are also included on the list of 23 named Obama-era officials who allegedly worked to reveal the identity of Flynn during the presidential transition period, as are Obama chief of staff Dennis McDonough and former US ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power.

    So I will not call it deep state , it was the state.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Using the government to go after political opponents? Didn't Dems go after President Trump for this?

     
  19. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Oh I believe it. I'm annoyed that so many people are refusing to believe her, however. We either believe accusers or we don't. Political party shouldn't matter. But I'm utterly disgusted that my choice for president will come down to two men with credible sexual assault allegations.
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Call me biased here, but a person who, seemingly by her own free will, writes how Putin's "obvious esteem for women, children and animals is intoxicating for American women" loses pretty much all credibility. Especially when the accusation is so convenient. Assume for a moment Joe is innocent: will it stop the accusation from surfacing? Ha!

    As for the choice, well, America had the chance to elect first female President. Should have done that thing.
     

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