Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by sjujeff, Dec 2, 2009.
Vanity degree; I am sure the Chief Justice sweated out every minute of the course.
This sarcasm (trollmanship) is getting under my bonnet. The Ph.D. is listed among his earned degrees and I'm confident it is such. Chief Justice Ireland was awarded the Doctorate in 1998, at which time he had already spent 20 years in a part-time faculty role at Northeastern. He has since been named Distinguished Professor there. Here's the info on his earned degrees:
"He graduated from Lincoln University with a B.A. in 1966, from Columbia Law School with a J.D. in 1969, from Harvard Law School with an LL.M. in 1975, and from Northeastern University's Law, Policy, and Society Program with a PhD. in 1998. (Wikipedia)
"Justice Ireland earned his Ph.D. at Northeastern University in its Law, Policy and Society Program." - Afro-American Museum
Here's a very partial list of his honorary degrees: University of Massachusetts (Boston) - Doctor of Laws (2016), Excelsior College - Doctor of Laws (2013), Brandeis University -Doctor of Laws (2016) Roger Williams University - Doctor of Laws (2015)
Here's a list of Chief Justice Ireland's vanity degrees:
(You'll notice it's blank.)
Sure, a Ph.D. from one of the highest research universities in the country is a vanity degree. :headache:
I call it like I see it, looks like the elites awarding each other degrees. Anyway, that DLP will do us mere mortals very little good even if we could afford it.
On what do you base this analysis?
Very true, I should have made it clear that I was referring to earned doctorates in law.
Unless you are a CEO or Judge looking to build your legacy, what use would a DLP degree be to anyone? It is not a law degree nor a public administration degree. Looks to me like a degree for elite folks who want to pad their resumes. Also it is not an online degree as far as I can tell more like a Nova or Union Institute type degree.
Because it isn't a professional doctorate. It is a research degree. If your scholarly interests include the cross-section of law and public policy or any related area it might be an interesting pursuit.
I think you really don't have a concept of how much work goes into a doctorate. If you're looking for "padding" or something to help you build a legacy there are far less time consuming endeavors that would probably go a lot farther.
Judges don't need doctorates to build a legacy. Antonin Scalia had a B.A. and either a J.D. or an LL.B. (he earned it in 1960 and I don't know when Harvard made the switch or, if he received an LLB, if he elected to trade his in for the JD which was an option that other law schools presented). Supreme Court Justice, has a law school bearing his name, I'd say his legacy is assured without needing a research doctorate (vanity or otherwise).
I also fail to see how earning a doctorate would help one build a legacy. There are countless deceased judges who are lost to antiquity. There are countless holders of doctorates who died unknown.
Here's the deal...
You either don't know what you're talking about and/or you're just trying to be the most obnoxious troll that you can be. There is no such degree as one that the "elites" all just hand off to one another just to maintain the ivory tower. You're talking about respected educational institutions and this isn't an honorary degree. We can all speculate as to one's motivation for enrolling but diminishing the academic achievements of those who earn this doctorate as you have done is ridiculous.
I pointed out that Chief Justice Ireland has a Ph.D. from Northeastern, not a DLP, and you spewed out "vanity degree" again, then went on to belittle the amount of work he must have done to earn the degree.
That's beyond absurd; do you really think that a major research university is going to just hand out a Ph.D. to someone because they hold a public position? Ireland had designs on being a full-time professor of Criminology & Criminal Justice at Northeastern after retiring from the bench (which he now is), and the admission ticket is an earned doctorate. Northeastern doesn't consider the J.D. or even the LL.M. (he has one of those from Harvard) to be an earned doctorate for that position.
I’m new to this forum and just came across this reviews related to the Northeastern’s DLP. I just got the admission to attend the Seattle Campus program which is entirely online with one residency each quarter. I’m interested in focusing on Security Policy & U.S foreign Policy. Do you guys think that the DLP program is suitable for me?. I was thinking that having a cross knowledge in both law and Public policy can be beneficial both in international security as well as global affairs.
The other thing I was thinking about is to attend a PhD in international Relations and focus on security & foreign policy but a PhD will take longer to complete.
So what do you guys think?. Any advice please ?.
What is your purpose for the degree? DLP is suitable for subject matter experts (SME), but not in the academic setting (i.e: full-time tenure track). If you decide to be a Government official, then DLP is good enough unless you value the three-letter of Ph.D. While Ph.D. from a well-ranking institution serves you better in academia. Also, don't earn Doctor of Law & Policy, and put down you have a Ph.D. I have seen several cases, people have done that on professional Doctorates (DBA, DPA, DSc, DEng) stating they have a Ph.D. because they try to convince people they have a Doctorate degree and a Ph.D. is more well known. The consequence ended badly, some were forced to resign.
The only graduate of Northeastern's DLP I know of is Dominica's ambassador to the U.S., but it seems to have worked well for him.
Thank you so much for the insight and I know the difference between the DLP & and a full PhD. My concern is more about the value of the DLP for someone who is looking to pursue a career in International affairs not necessarily looking to teach. My goal is more using my degree in think thank, government, international consulting jobs or even with international organizations with a possibility to be an adjunct professor sometime in my career.
So it will be very helpful to advice if the DLP is better given its practicality or a PhD in international relations/Political Science/Security Studies.
It's a $95,000 degree that's all about American policy and legal reasoning. I don't understand spending that much money on a degree that has little to do with international relations when you can get a relevant degree at a fraction of the cost.
It looks like a Harvard-price-level degree.
I totally agree with you that the cost is insane. But there is 2 programs for the DLP depending on your experience. The one in Seattle ($67,000) is for people with at least 3 years of work experience ( I’m admitted to that one), and the other program in Boston ($95,000) is for people with at least 10 years of work experience. Was only considering the Seattle program because I have a tuition remission from my Company and it is also more flexible that the Boston program.But after a deep reflection, I think I better go with a PhD in International relations or Political Science.
If you find a good online/distance or low-residency one, let us know!!
sure can you share it with me please?
Sorry I meant I will be happy to share it with.
I have just found out this program. Doctorate in Defense & Strategic Studies ( a sub-field of International Relations) at Missouri State University D.C Campus. It can be completed online, on campus or hybrid. A quick look of they faculty show that all seem to be well established in International affairs/ Security realm with an impressive background. And the location of the program is great. Plus the program requires an internship which can be good for network in D.C. I will be submitting my application soon. Check out!
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