New Biden ad says America was an idea, just an idea that we never lived up to.

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Lerner, Oct 23, 2020.

  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member
  2. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I hear what you have to say, yes there are exactly the issues that are being employed as a vehicle in order to achieve a different goal. Once one lived under a totalitarian regime,
    they recognize many things. Liberty is precious. Again I'm against discrimination of any group based on their color, religion, race, etc.
    But this is not a simple issue. For example, let's say you want to live in all Jewish ultraOrthodox neighborhood.
    It's challenging unless you are willing to be considerate toward your neighbors.
    The modesty, the Sabbath, the food, and many other behaviors are the community rules.
    It's another thing if an ultra-orthodox Jewish family moves to your neighborhood, they made a conscious decision to reside in the place where possibly Sabbath is not observed, businesses are open, etc. People are dressed differently, people are talking differently. Other faiths worshiping places are at hand.
    It's is about federal funding, or housing discrimination, and segregation. So there are parts of AFFH whort keeping.
    Biden has actually promised to go much further than AFFH. Biden has embraced strategy for ending single-family zoning in the suburbs and creating what you might call “little downtowns” in the suburbs. It will mean the end of local control, the end of a style of living that many people prefer to the city, and therefore the end of meaningful choice in how Americans can live.
    Voters should know this when they vote.

    Anti-suburban radicals wanted large cities to simply annex their surrounding suburbs, like cities did in the 19th century. This way more taxes come to the city.
    Once progressives discovered it had since become illegal for a city to annex its surrounding suburbs without voter consent, they cooked up a strategy that would amount to the same thing.
    Johann this has nothing to do with who can reside in our neighborhood, or any racial discrimination. There are reasons why people of all colors move in to suburbs away from the city.
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2020
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    As usual, Canadian self-praise is exaggerated:
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    So is American - quite frequently, too. And yes - police abuse of First Nations people is a long-standing and huge problem. But police abuse wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about minorities in the 'burbs. I wasn't claiming blanket perfection - or perfection of any kind.

    Maybe the best thing I could do is stay the hell out of this part of the forum. Y'all would probably like that.
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2020
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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    President Donald Trump's childhood, growing up was in Queens.
    I have friends whom I met at work decades back who grew up in Queens and in comparison to them, Trump is relatively reserved.
    Queens that shaped Trump was far from a tolerant and diverse as today.
    Trump’s childhood community was largely white and conservative, closed off from its surroundings.
    There were borders so to say, you knew where black neighborhoods are further south, where Catholic white neighborhoods are, etc.
    Wealthier residents of Queens saw themselves as a part of an ordinary middle class, in comparison to wealthy residents of Manhattan.
    With many changes that came down the years, the things outside the hood looked like mayhem.
    The people didn't like to come in contact with the other groups they feared.
    This microcosmos of Queens is reflecting the country today in my friend's views.
    They prefer the way Queens was when they were kids. In their memories, it was great not like it's today. So yes they are segregationists.
    This explains a lot of things good or bad, yet as an immigrant they never made me feel like an outsider.
    Once a father of one of the friends during us hanging out said "It all got dark people here" pointing angrily toward a nearby highschool.
    So I get it and understand the motivation behind some of the issues in the elections, good, bad, and the ugly.
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2020
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I enjoy another over the hill old fart around here. Being a Canadian is just a big bonus.
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good to know, Bill. Thanks. See you elsewhere in the forum, then.
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Just to be clear, I was saying that I hope you stick around in this forum as well. I think that someone outside the USA can give a fresh perspective to what us crazy yanks are talking about.
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Maybe, but some of 'em don't like my perspective very much, so I won't trouble them further with it. Looks like whichever way things go, they're going to have lots of stuff on their plates, much more important than me in a little while... happy 4 years to all.
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2020
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    We may not always agree on political issues but I asure you we like your input.

  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Not you I was referring to, Lerner. Thanks anyway.

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