Need Some Backgound Info

Zon 7 = John Dovelos

John Dovelos, Ph.D.

John S. Dovelos

He is the quintessential "academic" involved in the world of unaccredited DL. Dovelos also has a nasty side to him and has attempted to smear uncle janko, DesElms, Rich Douglas, Dr. John Bear and other esteemed members of the DL community.

(In the interests of full disclosure, this pathetic fool recently took a couple of shots at me on the "other forum.")

 

What kind of "gets" me is the comments are both true and not overly harsh. Dennis definately likes a god brawl. Big deal. So does Steve, Des, and a few others. Now his "Scar" persona is truely scary as in "over the line".

 

And here I thought Scar was the mean uncle in Lion King!

 

So here were the angels Michael and Gabriel sittin' at the bar with Jehovah one day, when Lucifer walks in and orders a Garden of Eden Iced Tea, extra Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

"We don't serve your kind here," says St. Peter, the bartender.

Dennis, Steve, and Des, all seated at the table in the back, got up. "Boys, looks like it's gonna be a brawl!"

The rest, as they say, is history.

 

Oh, no he doesn't. In my case, he tells lies about me all the time. Of course, his lies are not limited to me. Then there's his plan to take his unaccredited DBA from CCU and make sure others don't know it's not covered by DETC's accreditation. His defense of it is comical, though.

 

We recently had a thread here in which several members expressed the idea that perhaps the best attitude that we might hold in regard to that other forum is one of silence and benign neglect. It made some sense to me then. With that in mind I'm wondering if this thread has reached the limits of its usefullness.
Jack

 

Ah, the QTJ Effect. Did you know that, anecdotally, though not necessarily statistically, I participate in more threads that have outlived their usefulness than just about any other poster?

 

I don't agree with the benign neglect theory, but I do agree with Jack on this thread. I am glad the thread is here to inform the unwary and admonish the clueless, but enough is enough.

Quinn and I will have to continue the Escoffier-in-Tabriz discussion somewhere else.

 

Yep.

 

Not for nothing, but was there really any constructive use in the first place? Asking for 'background info' regarding individuals does nothing but encourage gossip on both sides. If someone wants (as opposed to 'needs') background info on individual posters they can jolly well go look it up themselves.

Kit

 

What do you want to know Wild Bill?

I didn't get Huffman's reference to CCU degrees blowing up. CCU turned out to be an excellent educational value and were some very good people to work with, not to mention my other schools and affiliations.

You can get a pretty good idea of my background through the www link. Send me a note if you have any specific questions. Happy to provide any information I can based on experience with undergrad traditional B&M, grad-level traditional B&M, grad-level State-approved DL (now nationally accredited), professional board certification, professional DL through top-tier uni).

 

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I never said that CCU was bad but, when CCU was unaccredited, their degrees did blow up on people sometimes. A search on Google will find multiple examples that even have a fellow named Rod Kirkland writing protest letters to the editor about it. In my view it is the sad story associated with unaccredited degrees even when bestowed by real schools rather than diploma mills. Another reference to such a sad story is Quinn's sad tale. Sorry that my reference was apparently too obscure for you.

 

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My ACU doctorate didn't "blow up" exactly.

I was stalked relentlessly by someone posting under various names, calling up (under an assumed name) the university at which I was teaching , pretending to be a student on AED (with no posting history except those messages that suddenly appeared a few days after having emailed directly to my department head) who decided not to enroll because I was there, and so on, until it just wasn't worth the effort to have me around anymore due to the noise.

It was more of a case of TMO rather than TBCV. (Too Much Overhead rather than Time Bomb in the CV). Yeah, I know that seems like a rationalization... OK... sure... but I was there, remember? I have something in the whole picture that nobody else does -- the actual experience rather than just the surface story.

Anyway -- live and learn, right?

Life moves forward, we look backward, things go sideways, up, down, left, right, to the center -- jai guru deva, om, nothin's gonna change my world. It's all a drop like endless rain into the paper chase cup.

Cheers.

 

"Life moves forward ............"

Yes, if we let it - all the while, simultaneously resisting the almost overwhelming urge to continuously bring up the past, ummmm..... indiscretions, maybe mistakes, dare I say, even failures - of any one individual, perhaps even more than a handful of individuals, in a public DL forum.

Lesson learned by me, some of us, and I hope, all newbies and visitors to DI includes this:

An unaccredited degree, whether rightfully earned or dubiously purchased, is probably guaranteed to demand that the owner of such spend a lifetime explaining, defending, justifying, apologizing, crying, accusing, affirming, supporting, regretting, denying, etc., one's decision or "achievement" regarding the pursuit of same, or dreaded anticipation of the "kaboom!" potential and life-altering effects of the pursuit or attainment of such unaccredited degree(s).

Seems to me that in this day and age, an unaccredited degree is really not worth all the trouble that may come with it. But that is just me.

Will we let life go on?

... And not continue to persuade the unpersuadable or expect acceptance and understanding from the critical and unforgiving world at large?

To Newbies:

Welcome to DI!

Remember to do the right (maybe, "harder" but overwhelmingly acceptable/accredited, thing), if at all possible. You will almost never regret that you did.



Thanks.

 

The media and other interest groups sometimes get the many facets of DL wrong or use innuendo for the sake of a story. There are times when you have to stand up for the facts and it never hurts to set the record straight. I do remember that transition period. I also thought it was sad that a good school was getting some ridiculous press just before the announcement of its national accreditation.

Liberty must be defended.

 

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Re: Need is a Mighty Big Word

And according to WorldCat you are indeed a published author and libraries in Canada and the UK hold your works!

Not that I doubted it, but I just like to see the accomplishments of my fellow degreeinfo users.

 

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If the degree had been from an accredited school then it wouldn't have happened. That was my point that unaccredited degrees, even from real schools not diploma mills, can still sometimes cause problems for people.

 

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Granted, at least in part.

Why it happened probably goes more to any number of socio-political intangibles than just its pedigree, however. In the interest of not stirring the pot too much, however, I'll let that piece of history drop by the wayside. (Contrary to the views held by some, I don't live entirely in the past. )

(And Jack, although I use the formal "we" in some of my research papers, I assure you that I'm just one person. )

 

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Oui.
Jack