Nearly Everyone Gets A’s at Yale. Does That Cheapen the Grade?

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Johann! My youngest daughter graduated from FIT with an associates in metal working.
     
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's great, Nosborne. It's a terrific school. As far as Fashion goes, fabricating a metal dress must be fraught with difficulties. Anyone know how draping can be managed, with solid metal design? And seams would be welded, not sewn, I suppose. Wow. Dressmaking suddenly holds a complete other set of challenges! I'm getting my torch! :)

    And hinged kick-pleats in skirts. Otherwise walking is impossible.... :)
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, no. It's absolutely been done.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It has? Oh, well then, I shan't bother. Not a copier, I. Original or bust! Most likely the latter. But hey, just a minute. Who did it? Any big names - Karl Lagerfeld? Donatella? Giorgio? Calvin? :)
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah - A 'biggie' sure enough - Paco Rabanne - with plastic discs and metal hoops. Very nice.indeed. No welds.
    https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/762106 "Paco" was a well-educated designer. Grad of l'École Nationale des Beaux-Arts. And I'm sure he had a great natural gift as well. Both show in his work.
    Paco's full name was Francisco Rabaneda Cuervo. He died Feb. 3rd of this year, shortly before his 90th birthday.

    And there's Iris van Herpen's fine steel mesh dresses here. As feminine as it gets, says Johann. I like.
    https://www.dezeen.com/2015/03/13/iris-van-herpen-hacking-infinity-aw15-paris-fashion-week-pleats-gauze/
     
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    That steel mesh would be hell on your sewing machine Johann.
     
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I'd be saying goodbye to Crystal (that's her name - from her colour,"Arctic Crystal") but I wouldn't let that happen. I'd get some tough ol' industrial thingy that could take that kind of punishment and use it for that one purpose. I'd ask Iris van Herpen what I should get. She'd know instantly.
     
  9. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I would agree except that this is a new phenomenon. If students were reliably getting As in the early 2000s, this wouldn't be a story. Instead, grade inflation is increasing consistently at Yale and went into hyperdrive during the pandemic, while the students remain unchanged.

    That suggests something institutional.
     
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  10. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't be surprised if the Yale and Harvard undergraduate student bodies are more interested in grade and GPA maintenance today than twenty years ago.

    Students could be taking more action to maintain their grades through a wide variety of means – some commendable!, some neutral, some not great – including legitimately working hard, legitimately using supports some of which could also have become more available over time (e.g., multimedia, tutoring, counseling, learning and attentional disability accommodations), tactical course selection, tactical use of transfer credit, tactical withdrawal, and lobbying faculty.

    The people who grade undergraduate courses could be awarding higher grades for reasons including the foregoing, their own increased adjunctification, and the increased importance to their own careers of their student evaluations.
     
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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I hate grades. They create distinctions where real differences do not exist.

    I had a weird college transcript, made mostly of testing credits without grades. No one cared. I have an MBA with credits from three universities. No one cared. I have a PhD without grades or credit hours. No one cared. I have another doctorate with a weird (to us) grading system. No one cared. I never got a grade anywhere less than a B. No one cared.

    Yes, there are situations where grades matter, but I'd bet in a lot of them it isn't really necessary. Just a convenient way to sort young people.

    I had a student at SDSU who found out he couldn't graduate because he didn't have a 2.0 GPA in his major. He has to go to summer school and take an elective, so he took a "gut" course filled with scholarship athletes. He got his easy A, graduated, and went to the prestigious Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training program and flew fighters.
     
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  12. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    For some schools, from primary grades to secondary (up to grade 10), they're no longer using % or grades, they're going by 4 levels of proficiency (and students can be in-between those levels). It goes from something like Beginning, Applying, Proficient, Extending... and when they reach the last two years of high school, that's when their grades will have letters and/or %'s. I think it's an option, there are always pros and cons to each, as long as they're putting effort into assist students to get as competent as possible in each and every course they take, they're good in my books.
     
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  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Because of my career arc, I did a lot of work in performance evaluation. In all that time, in all those situations, I've come to this conclusion: almost everyone is doing well, and a few are outstanding. Grade accordingly.

    • Fail
    • Pass
    • Pass with Distinction

    That's it.
     
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No, no, no. Everybody is a special snowflake, don't you know that? Just two grades: "Dismal" and "Miserable Failure". We need to equip these kids for life!
     
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  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    And, for the real super achievers, "Okay, I guess."
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    For Yiddish speakers, replace "Okay, I guess." with, "What, you think you're special or something?"
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Seriously, I prefer "completed" and "not completed", the latter meaning "not yet ready to advance". I don't like "fail". Too much labeling there.
     
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  18. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    I don´t know much about American Elite Universities but considering what I´ve been reading lately, including this topic here, it seems they are in decline regarding many factors.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Funny how it feels that way as we go along. But looking back, not so much. Perhaps time heals the wounds. Or, perhaps, aged perspective brings new meaning to old experiences. But I do know this: I hate grading. It's the one thing that keeps me in corporate training and out of the academic classroom. Hands-down.
     
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  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Of the 20 highest-ranked (according to US News and World Report), 15 are in the U.S. Four are in the UK and one is in Canada. (The Times ranking has 13 of the top 20 schools being from the U.S., two from China, one from Canada, one from Switzerland, and three from the UK.)
     

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