National Accreditation Board of Dominica's level of acceptance in US

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    In Canada at least, many foreign PhDs in psychology become therapists or just counselors. You can practice counseling in many provinces without a license and there is a very thin line between counselor and psychologist.
    Others go into holistic counseling or psychology that is also not regulated and become "positive" psychologist, sports psychologists, etc.

    The PhD seems to be the minimum requirement nowadays to attract customers so I can see people paying the money to get a second rate doctorate that they can at least list in a CV or business card.

    There are also people that might want to do counseling as a second career so might just get it for personal interest and to practice on the side.
     
  2. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I would like to add that IUGS also covers degrees in areas that you cannot find in the US. Parapsychology is not taught at traditional Universities in the US and the ones offered are by non accredited places. IUGS has strong faculty in Parapsychology, I noticed Carlos Alvarado that is an authority is this area.
    I would be interested in completing their degree in parapsychology for personal interest but at 30K for a PhD is not so easy to justify so I would stay with my unaccredited degree in Metaphysics that cost me under 1K for now.
     
  3. Jan

    Jan Member

    One would think that if NAB accreditation would add credibility to IUGS's degrees in the US that they would provide the names of legitimate foreign degree evaluation services that would validate these degrees. However, when you request referral to such an agency from IUGS's representative, she cannot provide the names of any!

    This raises a red flag. Any foreign university would promote to the hilt the fact that their degrees are accredited and acceptable in the US, or at a minimum, are generally equivalent to US degees, but this is not the case with IUGS. Enough said.
     
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  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Many legitimate foreign universities I dealt with have no clue about credential evaluation.
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    So contrary to your original statement, you seem to have very strong opinions about this school. I'm sure you'll pass these on to your friend.
     
  6. novadar

    novadar Member

    This is as good a time as any for a sidetracking of this thread.

    Stanislav, how's the LLB with Northumbria going? I recall we had a thread talking about Univ of London and Northumbria for distance law study. You've taken the plunge. Inquiring minds want to know!
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Ah, that has been an adventure. Long story short, I've took and passed first year subjects (English Legal System, Contracts, Criminal Law). However, I decided to sit out next year and take ACCA accounting exams instead. I fully intend to resume my LLB studies later.
     
  8. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    An issue that nobody's really addressed yet is academic credibility. Ideally, accreditation is supposed to be an indicator of academic credibility, at least in the sense that some minimal standards have been met.

    In the Dominican NAB's case, I'm not sure what those standards are. The fact that the accreditation apparently exists to attract off-shore entrepreneurs from the United States who seemingly have little or no chance of getting their personal universities accredited by conventional accreditors at home makes me skeptical about how much additional credibility NAB accreditation implies.

    I don't think that off-shore accreditation from obscure jurisdictions automatically renders schools academically equivalent to American RA doctoral programs, even at the low end. I'm more inclined to think of these kind of schools as effectively being upper-unaccredited schools, much like the old California-approved schools of yesteryear. That doesn't mean that they are mills, but it doesn't totally guarantee that they aren't either.

    So I'm going to look for other indicators of academic credibility. Syllabi, faculty lists, research projects, publications. And I want to see whether or not the school participates in and receives recognition from the wider academic community in its fields of study. Do scholars at other institutions ever mention the school and talk about work done under its auspices? Does the school participate in collaborations and joint projects with better known schools? Does it ever attract grants, funding and awards?
     
  9. Jan

    Jan Member

    I have strong impressions regarding the validity and level of acceptability of NAB accredited degrees in the US. This is based on my not having any information that contradicts
    My impressions. However, in good faith I wouldnt share my impressions with my friend until I'm certain that NAB has no utility, and was the basis for my broaching this question on this forum to hopefully add clarity to this subject.
     
  10. Jan

    Jan Member

    Heirophant, as always, your perspicacious insights are right on target. Thank you. Jan
     
  11. Jan

    Jan Member

    I have strong impressions regarding the validity and level of acceptability of NAB accredited degrees in the US. This is based on my not having any information that contradicts
    My impressions. However, in good faith I wouldnt share my impressions with my friend until I'm certain that NAB has no utility, and was the basis for my broaching this question on this forum to hopefully add clarity to this subject.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I'm not sure that you've added any clarity although you certainly have expressed some strong opinions.
     
  13. novadar

    novadar Member

    Awesome. I have a "hankerin'" to follow suit. A bit too much on my plate right now but I've yearned for a law degree for so long. Please keep us updated -- a distinct informative thread perhaps?
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Yes, his "friend", who just happened to ask him about the very same obscure school he was kvetching about here two months ago.
     
  15. Jan

    Jan Member

    As stated in my post above, it was my intention to obtain clarity regarding this subject, not to provide that clarity, other than my impressions, which by the way are open to change if provided with credible feedback demonstrating the viability of NAB in the US. In fact, the questions and issues posed by Hierophant lays the groundwork for clarifying the actual value of an NAB accredited degree program.
     
  16. Jan

    Jan Member

    Sorry that you are personalizing my question due to your conflict of interest in seeking accreditation from NAB for your online school. However, as previously noted, and as we agreed, I am not negating the potential value of NAB for the prospective international demographic student population you are seeking to attract, but am focusing on its potential acceptability and utility solely in the US.

    So other than taking a defensive and contentious stand regarding my question, can you elucidate the viability of NAB degree programs in the US?
     
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  17. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    The Parapsychological Association has an interesting page on university education in parapsychology, that has lots of leads.

    University Education in Parapsychology - The Parapsychological Association

    Several British universities reportedly offer degrees in psychology up through the doctoral level with concentrations in anomalous experience, that might conceivably be open to parapsychological research topics. Here in the US, RA-accredited Saybrook entertains parapsychological dissertation topics, supervised by some reasonably big names like Stanley Krippner.

    And there are a couple of DEAC accredited places that offer masters degrees in 'Consciousness Studies' that are open to parapsychology.

    There's the University of Philosophical Research in Los Angeles, that I've mentioned before.

    University of Philosophical Research | A Non-Profit, Contemporary, Online Wisdom Academy | Philosophy, Psychology, Culture and Religion | Online M.A. and B.A. Degree Programs

    And here's another one that I just became aware of, the Holmes Institute. This one is DEAC accredited and is associated with the Church of Religious Science.

    Holmes Institute School of Consciousness Studies.

    Total program costs for both of their MAs are less then $ 10K US.
     
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  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Since you complained about this last time, and clearly already have your mind made up about it, the only reason for you to be back is to complain about it some more. It's perfectly fine for you to have a low opinion of IUGS, but stop pretending you're in some sort of open-minded discernment process about them.

    Actually, foreign universities do not typically do this, other than certain medical schools that specifically cater to Americans.

    The fact that even you understand that this issue doesn't affect our institution is why I don't have a "conflict of interest". I'm "personalizing" this only because this asking for a friend nonsense strains credulity and insults our intelligence. You're asking us to believe:

    1. Some friend of yours just happened to ask you about the same obscure foreign school you were just arguing about here two months ago.

    2. Even though you obviously already have a strongly negative opinion about it, rather than simply express that to your friend you decided that you wanted to go ask strangers for their opinions.

    3. Despite all the circles you went in the last time you were here, for some reason this is the place you thought would have something new to tell you.

    Come on, that's ridiculous.

    Just like you were repeatedly told last time, GAAP means there's no reason to expect that it wouldn't be recognised, but the only conclusive way to know is for someone with such a credential to have it evaluated by all of the members of NACES. You're the one with something to prove, so by all means, please feel free to go find such a person, run the experiment, and report back.
     
  19. Jan

    Jan Member

    Once again, it's unfortunate that your conflict of interest results in your hyper-defensive and hyper-offensive posturing regarding my question. However, I have no reason to defend my question, currently or in the past, because it remains unanswered.

    However, your inordinate focus on my credibility in seeking a definitive answer to this question, in lieu of your providing definitive/conclusive statements of fact regarding the acceptability of NAB degrees in the US, does not undermine my right to do so. However, it definitely places the onus on your motives in defending NAB so adamantly, and with such animus, without a substantive and definitive basis for doing so, other than your speculation as to its acceptability in the US.
     
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  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Re-read posts 3, 4, and 10 in this thread. And as you've repeatedly been told, GAAP means there's no reason to expect that it wouldn't be recognised, but the only conclusive way to know is for someone with such a credential to have it evaluated by all of the members of NACES.
     

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