My DBA Journey at ESGCI

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by TEKMAN, Jul 17, 2023.


    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Oh, I am putting my Ph.D. at the University of the Cumberlands on hold because I don't know if i tis a good ROI. I might not return to the program. I want to conduct research in digital business and marketing, where I am going to launch a digital business this year.
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Hope you find ESGCI is a good fit for you. I wish you every success with your doctorate and your digital business. :)
    What I really envy you for is - you're going to Paris and I'm not! Mais je m'en remettrai. (But I'll get over it) :)
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  3. Xspect

    Xspect Member non grata

    Wow, thanks for opening the rabbit hole, I meant the links
  4. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    I wonder what the legal basis of this piece of paper awarding this ESGCI DBA is?
    In Spain it would be a titulo propio. But in France? Are propios somehow regulated in the french law? Or is it a certificate?
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It's a degree - legal but without State recognition, because the school's degree-granting scope does not extend to level 8 - Doctorates.. And no - it is NOT a título propio, because:

    (1)This is not Spain - and
    (2) If it were in Spain, a título propio must be within the school's scope of degree-granting. This is not within ESGCI's scope of approval.¡Caso cerrado! (Case closed.)

    Basically a legally awarded degree, but without State recognition. Somewhere between Swiss Cantonal and Mexican Cantina! ¡Olé! :)
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  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    A guy was walking along a state beach carrying two canvas bags. A state game warden stopped him and asked him what was in the bags. "Seagulls," he said. The warden said, "You can't kill seagulls on a state beach; they're protected. I'm going to have to fine you $1,000 per bird and confiscate them." The guy said, "Hey, my family and I are homeless right now, living out of our car. The birds are all we have to eat. Cut me a break, please?" The warden said, "Okay, tell you what. I'll skip the fine, but I have to confiscate the birds. By the way, what do seagulls taste like?" The guy thought for a minute and said, "Kind of a cross between a spotted owl and a bald eagle."
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  7. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    Since I had a chance to contact one of the evaluators from Educational Credential Evaluators (ECE), I asked about ESGCI's "Doctor of Business Administration" program to see whether it stood a chance of being recognized by a NACES member in the U.S. I've received the following response:


    Approaches to recognition in France vary. These cases can be tough. Since the award is not a state diploma and offered at a private institution, we would want to see some sort of evidence the program is diplôme visé (ie recognized by the state). I don't see DBA or Doctor of Business Administration on L'Etudiant, which is typically where I start my search. And any programs they have listed for ESGCI (or ESG groupe) appear to be Titre d'établissement, which doesn't give us much to work with. No sign of ESGCI on the Conférence des Grandes Écoles (CGE) website either. I would probably start digging through legislation next. In summary, I don't think we would consider the program recognized in the way that we think of "regional accreditation" in the US, but it's tough to say without more research.

    Hope this helps,"
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  8. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I admit I don't get the joke. Is it that both of those are endangered so he's admitting to crime, or that they are ridiculous comparisons since most people have never eaten neither, or something else?
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't overthink it, Dustin. I believe the point is the shock to the game warden - when the guy casually remarks about the taste of two more VERY protected birds. So what, if I don't really see how it ties in with my "Swiss Cantonal and Mexican Cantina" remark.

    I've had jokes fall flat many times. So I'm not pointing any fingers. A sign of old age - I'm mellowing...somewhat. Enjoy it. Who knows if it lasts? :)
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog; you learn how it works but they die in the process. But here goes:

    The spotted owl is "near threatened" and was a huge point of conversation many years go because, as an indicator species, it doing poorly was in indicator that the ecosystem was also doing poorly. It became an archetype for threats to the ecology.

    The bald eagle is our national symbol. In the past, it was endangered, but it has since recovered.

    The implication of the joke is that not only is the subject planning on eating the seagulls, but he also has a history of eating those two very precious species.


    You said:

    "Somewhere between Swiss Cantonal and Mexican Cantina!"

    The "somewhere between" triggered my telling of that joke. That and the overall lack of seriousness of the thread's subject.
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the explanation, Rich. It's all good. And yes - the frog died, but he did not give his life in vain. He increased our understanding. We should reward him posthumously. A Doctorate, honoris causa, perhaps. We have sources... :)
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  12. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I say this with no ill intent. I hope Tekman will reconsider this "degree." There are so many regionally accredited DBA programs in the U.S. and RA-equivalent around the globe. I think having an RA-accredited DBA from the worst for-profit school in the U.S. would be better than a "DBA" from ESGCI. Ultimately, the choice is Tekman's. Just consider that while you don't plan to teach, etc., keep in mind that life evolves. I had no plans of becoming a tenure-track faculty when I was looking for doctoral programs. I applied to about 10 programs (only one was a Ph.D.). I was certain I would leave high school teaching and return to juvenile justice to do policy-related work. It's better to have a degree that will be valuable and not need it than not to have it and need it.

    A word to the wise is sufficient.
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  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Tidbit: The Motion Picture Academy will award an Oscar posthumously (Heath Ledger, Peter Finch), but the Nobel Committee will not.

    A man named William Horning won a posthumous Oscar in 1958 for Gigi and then again in 1959 for Ben-Hur. That guy was putting out more posthumous hits than Tupac Shakur.
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's a LOT of hits. As was the posthumous musical output of Notorious B.I.G.

    Google, re: Tupac: Since his passing, his estate has put out several albums of previously unreleased material, providing fans with new music well into the '00s. Songs like "Thugz Mansion," "My Block," and "I Wonder If Heaven Got a Ghetto" preserve the legacy of one of the most influential rappers of all time.

    Google, re: Notorious B.I.G: The discography of the Notorious B.I.G., an American rapper, consists of two studio albums, three posthumous albums, two compilation albums, one soundtrack and 27 singles (including 17 as a featured artist).

    I saw Tupac, in his role in "Poetic Justice" with Janet Jackson. Both struck me as two multi-talented people, more fully "alive" than anyone else I could think of. He was, and continues to be missed by many.
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm in no way qualified to advise Tekman re: collecting degrees -- as chrisjm18 certainly is. If he were collecting guitars or watches - I could. Got one of each - all really nice, for every day of the week, and a couple of spares. But here's one thing that mystifies me:

    Tekman earned a top-notch MBA from Imperial College, London - cost somewhere around $50,000. Now he's putting his PhD on hold and capping the glorious MBA with this mischievous little "parisienne insouciante" - a low-cost French doctorate without State recognition. Why? How did this upstart "French Concoction" worm her way into his affection? There must be a reason.... maybe he'll tell us. I hope so. :)
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And if they're absolutely, positively going to stick together to the very end --- I wish them every happiness. :)
  17. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I am a degree collecting expert :D I am trying to get one at every level, so I recently switched from earning a third master's to earning an Educational Specialist (Ed.S.) degree.
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If I were a degree collector, I think I'd try for one on every language... but I'm not capable - there are about 7,100 languages spoken in the world today. The rarest, Busuu, (Cameroon) has only eight speakers left.

    You go, man! You are indeed an expert. All I can say is - for you, there is no such thing as excess! :)
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  19. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Your language skills inspire me.

    Whenever I am disappointed with myself on my lack of progress in French, Arabic, Farsi, or whichever language is my interest du jour, I remind myself that I'll have lots of time in retirement to practice so I can get on Johann's level!
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  20. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    You could just get one from each continent ;)
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