Most underemployed majors according to the U.S. Census American Community Survey

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  1. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Environmental Studies
    Medical Technicians
    Ethnic Studies
    English Language
    International Affairs
    General Business
    Miscellaneous Technologies
    Mass Media
    Art History
    Fine Arts
    Animal and Plant Sciences
    Public Policy and Law
    Business Management
    Liberal Arts
    Leisure and Hospitality
    Performing Arts
    Criminal Justice
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  2. nomaduser

    nomaduser Active Member

    It's very obvious now.

    If you want to get a job, get one of these degrees:

    1. Computer Science, Data Science
    2. Information Systems / IT / Information Science
    3. Engineering
    4. Medical
    5. Business Administration (top universities only)
    6. Law (top universities only)

    Other majors will suffer greatly unless they're lucky.
    It could be that other majors were created to torture your life and steal your money.

    95% of people should go to college to get these "employable" degrees.
    95% of people shouldn't go to college to get other degrees that make them unemployable.
  3. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Well, sure. LOL. It is not even my main source of income. It never has been. LOL

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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    My favorite classes in college are listed there! I loved anthropology, sociology, history, art, and philosophy. I went to community college for 3 years because of it. I majored in Computer Science though because I thought job prospects would be better.
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Click the link, folks. The citation she included provides an awful lot of context that may impact how people feel about these data.
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  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I really don't see anything surprising in the data. The more interesting "fun" degrees, IMHO, provide less employment opportunities. I have a good friend that went to college for six years and took whatever he wanted. When he decided to stop going to college they looked at his credits and he got a double major in philosophy and art. He worked his whole career in construction. He didn't get rich but he did okay and enjoyed his work. He still paints art and likes to discuss stuff in philosophical terms though. ;)
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  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised that Crim Justice fares poorly. It's one of the most popular majors out there.
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  8. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised too. When interviewing for faculty positions, CJ was either the most popular major or one of the most popular at each school. At the school I am at now, of the nearly 2500 new/transfer students this fall, over 110 declared CJ as their major. We have over 70 majors, so I think CJ's enrollment is impressive.
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  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I've known that it has a high underemployment rate for years, and I'm not the least bit surprised. Most of the CJ-related jobs that require a degree are in federal law enforcement, social services, and parole/probation. Social services and parole/probation are usually not what male CJ students have in mind. Corrections, security, municipal law enforcement, and legal administrative work are the most common jobs for CJ graduates, and a large majority of those jobs do not require a 4-year degree.

    I've come across so many parents giving bad advice to their kids by telling them that criminal justice is the more practical and employable alternative to sociology and psychology. A lot of people choosing this major don't know that CJ is just an interdisciplinary social science.

    Being extremely popular just means there's more competition. That's why business management and general business have such high underemployment rates. The U.S. pumps out about 300k new business administration, management, leadership, and general business graduates every year.
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  10. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    It's not clear how they calculate underemployment. Is that being employed in a job with a degree that does not require that degree? Because that's an enormous spectrum of jobs, including many that pay very well. For example, a Salesforce Administrator with a couple years experience will often make 6 figures but you don't need a degree to do that job. The ~75,000 Salesforce professionals in the ecosystem are all "underemployed."
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  11. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I mean... that would contribute to it being high on the list. The more people get a degree, the less likely one is going to be able to find a job in that field. Business admin is another degree that is over-hyped and over-achieved.
  12. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    It may be anecdotal, and I’d love to see stats on this, but I had a sense back in the early 2000s that there was an inflection point whereby Criminal Justice began to replace Psychology as the major for the “undecided.”

    Given the prison industrial complex America has established, I’m surprised the CJ majors would be so unemployed.
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  13. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    On the flip side, I'm glad to see Nursing considered one of the "best college majors." 10 Best College Majors For The Future 2022 |

    The ROI on a Nursing ASN or BSN is impressive. Additionally, I know people who took the pre-med courses concurrently and were accepted to medical school or continued graduate school to become a nurse practitioner or anesthetist. Of course, none of my kids want to consider nursing, healthcare or medicine.
  14. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    It's not unemployed, it's underemployed. The latter has to do with being employed in a position that does not require the degree you hold (a bachelor's in CJ in this case).
  15. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    It's my long-held observation that one's network and networking skills are far more significant in career development than the subject matter and level of one's education
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  16. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    Totally agree!
    After my first job, nobody ever asked me to see proof of degrees anymore. It was the skill set you bring to the table that would or wouldn't convince them to hire you.
    When I mentioned at work that I wanted to enter a Ph.D. to increase my chances of becoming a project manager, my director said: "A Ph.D. would only serve you if you wanted to teach. If becoming a project manager is your goal, gather plenty of practical work experience as that will do just fine."
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  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Strongly agree. I also like to call them REAL skills, as in resilience, empathy, adaptability, and leadership.
  18. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    As a follow up, I tried to search this out. Unfortunately I couldn't find a chart which which had Criminal Justice and Psychology on the same graph. It was either one or the other, or grouping them together into "Social Science." The mystery continues.
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Demand shift. Perhaps that complex has become such a big business that it now requires MBAs to run it efficiently, rather than CJ grads?
  20. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    These % on the first post is only from that one survey, there are other surveys with similar results but the % will change as there are greater chances of discrepancies. Anyways, what "majors" you are interested in, you can also add another concentration, emphasis, focus, minor or add a secondary major as a backup plan. Most if not all degrees have free electives where you can decide to take some courses you're interested in, thus giving you an opportunity to further get into another subject or two.

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