More bad cops

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Gert Potgieter, Oct 5, 2002.

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  1. c.novick

    c.novick New Member

    If this sergeant actually exists, he is a fraud. I wonder if the administration of his agency knows about his credentials.

    I wonder if he used his fake degrees for a promotion to sergeant.

    I believe that is a time bomb at any rank and will eventually embarrass him and hurt his agency.

    My hope is that this is a fictitious person.
     
  2. Han

    Han New Member

    Every profession has illiterate and questionable degree holding personnel. Lay off the cops, they protect us all… next will be postings about illiterate soldiers…. Not a good thing. Can you say kicking a gift horse in the mouth?
     
  3. c.novick

    c.novick New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A royal, certified, bonifide mess...



    At my police department for the last four years all new police officers have been hired with no less than an Associates degree.

    Most have had Bachelors and a few have had Masters.

    The only one that didn't was a military vet in school.

    We are getting there.
     
  4. jerryclick

    jerryclick New Member

    At my police department for the last four years all new police officers have been hired with no less than an Associates degree.
    That is certainly a trend in the right direction. I'm glad to see it.:)
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

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  6. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

    No. Can you say presumptuous?
     
  7. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Please elaborate.
     
  8. Mullet site and cops fascinations....

    While I enjoy the mullet humor, that site you suggested is probably one of the most homo-erotic things I've seen in a long, long time.
     
  9. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    So it's OK for cops to use fake degrees because they play an important role in society? Doctors are also very important to society. Is it OK for a doctor to use a fake degree?
     
  10. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    Oh, me too!

    I hope he's Santa Claus!
     
  11. jerryclick

    jerryclick New Member

    Lake Worth is just a few miles South of West Palm Beach. Anybody live in the area that could check with the Lake Worth PD? An officer with such an impressive resume must be well known.
     
  12. Han

    Han New Member

    I am not going to single out any particular sentence in any particular posting, but from a daughter of a cop who was shot in the line of fire, all I am saying , it is not like a doctor or a dentist, they risk their lives for us - this does not excuse fraud, but when I see "dumb cop" type stories, I cringe.

    The debate rages whether a college degree is needed for street cops and I have not commented to that (though I should have clarified in my earlier posting). I also try not to respond to postings that hit a personal side of me, but just a small word of caution to respect those who die for the cause that MOST in society would not. A simple routine call can change lives - there is a reason they do the things they do, and it may seem silly to most of society - I didn't mean offense, just a short and sweet posting.
     
  13. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    Those folks that put their lives on the line should be respected. However, utilization of bogus credentials in any profession should not be tolerated. The use of bogus degrees diminishes trustworthiness. If the trustworthiness of a police officer is of issue it diminishes their effectiveness when they are on the job -- such as testifying in court.

    This brings to mind a case in the news a few years ago in a nearby city (Durham, NC) a where police career counselor was fired. He was hired based on his bachelor degree. His bachelor and high school diploma were both discovered to be faked. This person was defrauding the city and the taxpayers.

    John
     
  14. Han

    Han New Member

    Or Ex President Clinton... and what happened to him - nothing! (But I understand your point and agree!)
     
  15. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

    Was Clinton’s Oxford degree found to be bogus? Maybe I was out of the country then.

    I think all of us appreciate the job that the police/firefighters do, and certainly all the more when it’s we who need them. However, I do object to the post 9/11 mania that insists that every police officer and firefighter is a “hero” merely for wearing the uniform.

    Let’s not forget that they are doing their job. That’s what they are paid for, and presumably they understand that when they sign up. And please don’t construe that to mean that dying in the line of duty is “part of the job”. There are other “heroes” in my book who get very little recognition: researchers, nurses, doctors, & surgeons, who are literally saving lives every day. Most of us on this site could probably thank a few great teachers we had along the way. A first year teacher in the Bay Area can look forward to roughly $40,000/year – barely enough to rent a studio apartment.

    On the other hand, all cops are not saints. Here in the Bay Area we’ve had major news stories about essentially renegade cops in SF and Oakland beating up on gays, using undue violence, and in one case sexually molesting women that he, ostensibly, was taking in to custody. No one is a hero just by virtue of wearing a uniform, just as no one is a genius by virtue of an SAT or IQ score. It can only be measured individually – by results or actions, or so it seems to me.
     
  16. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    Clinton was awarded an honorary degree in 1994. He didn't earn an Oxford degree when he was there in the late 60's.
     
  17. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Actually, I agree with you. I've done many heroic things in my career, but the label "hero" should be reserved for people like the ones who stormed the beaches at Normandy.

    OTOH, it does get frustrating and depressing when the police do everything right (like in Cincinnati recently), and we still get vilified by the media.
     
  18. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    I'm imagining that those Cincy cops did it all by the book as per the last "incident." With each protested death comes new or refined rules of encounter along with classes purporting to raise the police consciousness in this way or that.

    Sound right?
     
  19. Han

    Han New Member

    With Clinton, I was talking about lying under oath.

    The others statements all make sense, but there is a difference in my mind to a job that is of great asset to our nation and someone who would die protecting it. I am not saying anything less about other professions, but I think those who risk their lives are on a different level and do deserve respect. (Not every single person who was ever in that profession, not those who steel or break the law in the profession, I think everyone knows I didn't mean the bad ones).
     
  20. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Yep, and nothing ever changes for the better. I heard or read about the Cincy protesters howling that the cops should have used a "beanbag" gun (a less-than-lethal shotgun that fires a non-penetrating beanbag) to subdue the man.

    The major flaws in that line of reasoning;

    1) Those guns are stored in the trunk of the patrol car. Am I supposed to call "Time-Out" while I get the keys, open the trunk, and deploy the gun, all while my partner is fighting for his life with a 400lb bull of a man, strung-out on PCP?

    2) The Cincinnati Police did have the beanbag guns....until the ACLU sued them a few years ago, and they were removed from service. The ACLU and their fans can't have it both ways....which shall it be???

    I've had the misfortune to have dealt with 3 people on PCP in my 15 years on the job. Each time was a fight for my life, and it always took at least 5 officers to subdue the person. I watched one guy rip another cop's holster right off his gunbelt...fortunately he couldn't get the gun out. The only way to deal with people on PCP is, unfortunately, brute force.

    I'd really like to hand Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and any ACLU lawyer a pair of handcuffs and see them try to cuff a simply uncooperative person, never mind someone strung-out on PCP.
     

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