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Community policing is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen. We call them the "Birthday & Barbeque Squad", since all they ever seem to do is attend parties. They are our dumping ground for political hacks and older guys who want to hide for their last few years.

 

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Community Policing became the buzz in the mid 90's. I believe it was always inherent in the"beat cop" and suddenly it became the rage. I agree with Bruce, it has become misused by many agencies incluing mine.

It has become a "Birthday & Barbeque Squad". I can't wait to pass that term on, my staff would certainly agree.

The concept of "Community Policing" when the district and beat officers are engaged in knowing their citizens and surroundings is effective and acceptable. What many Community Policing units have become is not helping the cause.

 

Sounds like a good job to me! Where do I sign up?

 

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That wasn't always so and the change has not been, IMO, for the better.

I was in the U.S. Army in the years of '66 through '68. The last one and a half years in a unit that had a secondary "paramilitary" function of riot/insurrection control for the D.C. area. My Company "saved" the Pentagon (from the humiliation of being breached by a band of demonstrators) during a big anti-war demonstration in October of '67. We repulsed the invaders and settled in for nineteen hours of getting along rather well with the bulk of the demonstrators. The "paramilitary" U.S. Marshals were, OTOH, some real scumbags who seemed fond of abusing teenaged girls.

Paramiliary police? That twain should never meet. Not in the U.S.

 

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They already have, for many years (at least the 15 I've been in the game). As for the US Marshals, they don't wear uniforms, so you really can't call them paramilitary.

 

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For that, has anything improved for the police or the citizenry? I don't think so.

They wore at least helmets at the Pentagon.

 

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You can't compare policing 30 years ago to today. Back then, there was no crack cocaine or crystal meth, and a street gang consisted of some kids hanging on a corner. As society has become more violent, police departments have had to adjust.

 

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C'mon, Bruce. You know there was mucho beaucoup of coke and speed thirty years ago.

Gangs? When did West Side Story come out? Gangs have been a fixture of the cities since there have been cities.

Forgotten the race riots up there in Boston? Weathermen, Panthers, JDL, et.al.? Looted National Guard armories? Thirty years ago people believed we were on the verge of a civil war.

Violence levels vary and the current trend has been down.

 

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As I said, there was no such thing as crack cocaine, crystal meth, or PCP. Have you ever tried to subdue someone on any of the three? I have, and there's no comparison.

Do I really need to point out the difference between a guy with a switchblade and a DA haircut and a "gangsta" with a TEC-9 about to do a drive-by?

The riots of the late 60's were a brief flare-up, and can't be compared to the steady level of violence today.

If you're comparing today to the late 80's-early 90's, I might agree with that statement. However, all the hard-core bad guys we arrested back then are starting to get out of prison, so watch for a spike in violent crime shortly.

 

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I certainly understand the difference between a person with a switchblade and a person with a TEC-9.

What I don't understand is why it is relevant that one guy has "a DA haircut" and the other is a "gangsta."

Well, maybe I do understand what you mean, but I hope I am wrong. Perhaps you should point out the difference.

 

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Very simple. When I pointed out that street gangs back in the 50's & 60's were not as dangerous as those today, decimon alluded to "West Side Story". What did the gang members look like in that movie? They had DA haircuts and the weapon of choice (if they even used weapons) was a switchblade. Those were the dangerous gangsters of that era.

Fast-forward to the late-80's to today. The dangerous gangsters now prefer semi-automatic firearms, and a straight-up fistfight is almost unheard of. A drive-by shooting is the preferred method of settling scores or protecting turf.

I know what you were alluding to, and I think it says a lot more about your notions and biases than mine.

 

What's a DA haircut and where can I get one? (I'm getting tired of my mullet.)

 

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This Story takes another turn.
Henderson guilty of pistol-whipping teen drug suspect

 

This Story takes another turn.


Deputy indicted


And one good turn deserves another--


Henderson guilty of pistol-whipping teen drug suspect

 

not to be a smart ass

PCP (phencyclidine) was developed in the 1950s as an intravenous anesthetic. Its use in humans was discontinued in 1965, because patients often became agitated, delusional, and irrational while recovering from its anesthetic effects. PCP is illegally manufactured in laboratories and is sold on the street by such names as angel dust, ozone, wack, and rocket fuel. Killer joints and crystal supergrass are names that refer to PCP combined with marijuana. The variety of street names for PCP reflects its bizarre and volatile effects.


so PCP was invented in the 50's and was stopped being used by doctors in the late 60's. I can remember in the late 70's early 80's going to health class and being told about the evils of PCP. All I have to say is pcp existed back in the 50's. It might not have been prevalanet but it was there....

I have great respect for police officers, even the stupid dps officer that gave me 3 tickets in one stop. And I wasn't even speeding....

 

Somehow, while doing some searching related to this thread I found this police officer on the faculty at Breyer State. He also earned both his masters and doctorate from Breyer in 2002. Another potential TB (time bomb)? http://www.breyerstate.com/resume-patrick-maddox.htm

John

 

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God this is the truth. One of the most painful experiences of my life (a slight exaggeration, but only slight) was standing by while an officer tried to write a report after I was robbed. He struggled with every word, and in the end I pretty much dictated to him while he wrote. A report that should have taken 10 minutes, probably took more than 1/2 an hour. Meanwhile the crooks were off using my credit card.

Moral: always phone in immediately to cancel your credit card. Don't wait until after the officer takes your report.

 

Well, all the cops that I have dealt with have been quite literate. Though they must teach them at the Academy to use long awkward formal-sounding words when short simple words would suffice.

 

A Police Sergeant with a fake PhD is probably OK. But it may come to haunt him if he wants to be the Police Chief one day.