Migration policies are failing, migrants are strugling - ‘broken’ national immigration system

I don't want to impose this on anyone here, so if you don't believe it, that's fine. I stand corrected.

 

@Lerner Do you know the definition of a cabal? It's a word used most often by conspiracy theorists.

Vocabulary.com
A cabal is a secret plot, or a small group of people who create such a plot. Some conspiracy theories are based on the idea that governments worldwide are in the hands of a powerful cabal. Cabal comes from the word cabbala (also spelled kabbala), which refers to a Jewish tradition of interpreting texts.

 

My take: The Rothschilds are far too busy with their business and philanthropical activities to bother with the Chinese Communist Party - or any other Cabal activities. Here's an interesting look at the good things the family has done. @Lerner - recommended reading for you.

https://www.rothschildarchive.org/family/philanthropy/

 

I have a friend at the Denver Fed building ( as security ). He sees the illegals. He believes this: Some of the military aged men show great hostility; he added, if there are terrorist in the country, he has seen “them”. He states that Denver is becoming a Hell Hole and he has been challenged going to his car, in uniform from work, and even once within his car. He had to draw his weapon ( from within his car ) and show the gun, to have them move on.

I sent it to him and will get his feed back. He is a retired policeman with active contacts. Last night, the Corporal ( DCSO - Douglas County Sheriff Office ) hinted that DCSO will need help ( not in a panicked way ). Too much area to cover and not enough eyes. Need citizens to help report what they see what is not normal.

 

Lerner frequently (usually?) references the absolute WORST BS sources imaginable. This is just another example. His source for that worthless nonsense was The Millennium Report.

Extreme bias with low reliability. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-millennium-report/

quote:
In review, The Millennium Report is an extreme right biased website that promotes pro-Russia and pro-Assad propaganda. Throughout the website, there is significant anti-Clinton rhetoric with the term “Lock Her Up” used frequently. There is significant use of loaded words in headlines and articles such as this: “Here’s the proven Deep State conspiracy that will hang ’em all!”

The primary source of information for this website is State of the Nation 2012, which is another extreme-right conspiracy site that occasionally publishes fake news. Mostly the Millennium Report is a tin foil hat conspiracy website with themes running from Pizzagate, the New World Order to the Deep State conspiracy.

 

It's to jolt and awake the comfortably numb and stimulate conversation, provide thought and exchange.
Even if the farfetched points and conspiracies, they are not for fearmongering.
And for those who are eager to shoot the messenger, take a deep breath and smell the coffee.

My trip to Vancouver was amazing, I loved it there and also Victoria.
Had great time biking in the park and other parts of the city, etc.
The hotel I stayed in had an interesting group of Iranians. And my friends traveling with us, a US Air Force officer ret.
We have been friends since working together in 1988, and he is an Iranian Muslim, married to a Catholic lady. Overheard over breakfast, some Iranian gentleman who were actually staring at me for some reason, turning their had etc.? Was very suspicious conversation. He reported it to the proper US agency.
Definitely plotting something not good.

 

Your statement is an incorrect use of the term "shoot the messenger". The messenger for the BS is The Millennium Report. That messenger fully deserves to be shot. Because the information is not trustworthy. You frequently pass on BS false information. You frequently assert false information as if it were true. Untrustworthy nonsense needs to be exposed as false. The phrase "shoot the messenger" implies that the message in true. That is not the case and just another example of you trying to warp reality.

 

Bill,

H had a private server with “classified” info on it, did she delete the info ( “bleach bit”), and then destroy the discs? All when she was asked to produce them in tack? Also, did she sell % of our Uranium resources to a Canada/Russian firm ? Why would she do this? Or just Right Wing Conspiracy ?
The broken border is good for the US ? Or is this just Right Wing Conspiracy stuff ?

 

Lerner,

You are a horrible source of information. You post a list of articles from very biased and unreliable sources. The most reliable in your list is probably the NY Post https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-post/ which isn't very good. For example look at The Gateway Pundit https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-gateway-pundit/ . This totally worthless crap is EXTREME bias and VERY LOW reliability. It's as bad if not worse than believing nonsense one reads on social media. Your assertion that you posted this junk to encourage discussion will only get the kind of discussion you see here. That is the case now as well as in the past. The only way that particular source would ever be relevant to any thread here on DegreeInfo is if it was a thread discussing horrible sources of information, IMHO. Most of that drivel you posted links to didn't have anything to do with this thread topic anyway.

 

I have close ties to and have spent a lot of the past ten years in Brampton.

It's hugely unlike cities in India. In nearly all ways it is indistinguishable from other cities in Canada.

The creator of the video is an exploitative hack and his video is insulting to his subjects and audience. I watched to the end respectfully interested in what his subjects have to say (and always in what you have to say tadj; you're cool).

The creator falsely understates the Canadian-born population of Brampton by re-labeling Census ethnic origin data as if it's country of birth data. I'm Canadian-born and my first ancestors arrived over a century ago. I've never listed my ethnic origin in a Census as "Canadian." Always as Polish, English, Scottish.

The creator flits between the categories White, European, Canadian-born, Canadian-ethnic-origin, and non-South-Asian as if they somehow have the same essence.

The creator fixates on the point that 19% of Brampton is European (or White). It might flash by in a table but he doesn't mention that 13% of Brampton is Black. Most Black Canadians share first language and many cultural and community ties with most European Canadians.

Three main types of scene make up the main body of his video:

• Identifiably South Asian diaspora scenes: Temples, small businesses, people on the street. And this would be part of an accurate reflection of Brampton! The next two parts fail.
• White people on the street who seem likely to be destitute, in a specific very few city blocks in Brampton homeless and destitute people are known to spend time. Most of what they discuss are problems of poverty and destitution completely unspecific to Brampton and unrelated to South Asian immigration there. But the video creator seems to be associating White people in poverty and destitution with his stated topic of South Asian immigration to Brampton. Huh.
• White people on the street who might not be destitute, but have something reliably unfriendly to say about the number of South Asians in Brampton.

These don't accurately reflect Brampton.

 

Bill, you are correct about the reliability of the sources that were shared with me.
Here is a more reliable source.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-says-chinese-hackers-preparing-202837393.html
FBI says Chinese hackers preparing to attack US infrastructure

 

I am not sure whether the depiction of Brampton is accurate in all respects. I’ve only been to the city a couple of times, even though I’ve lived in the neighboring city for many years. But the statistics speak for themselves with the needed correction that you have added concerning the presence of the Black Canadian population. While the author of this video may be a hack, the video could cause one to reflect on the kinds of cities that are created as a result of a staunch commitment to specific immigration policies combined with the natural human tendency to stick with those similar to oneself in terms of ethnicity and religion. No one doubts that Brampton represents a South Asian-dominated city with amenities that cater to that population. This hasn’t been disputed in the points that you have brought up.

While looking into this issue, I came across a much older article in the Globe and Mail newspaper with the following quote from a Brampton resident:

"Sometimes, I wonder if I live in India or Canada. But I am not complaining. For someone who has lived her entire life as a minority – and a very visible one, thanks to the hijab covering my hair – this environment is a welcome change. I am with my own kind."

Article cited here: “How Brampton, a town in suburban Ontario, was dubbed a ghetto”

I would only pose the following question: Aren’t we dealing with certain double standards here? When ethnic minorities turn into majorities and celebrate the fact that they are finally “with their own kind” and no longer feel as outsiders, we see this as reflection of beautiful diversity. But when long-term white residents go from majority to minority status (or simply decrease in very visable ways in terms of the population core) and resent the fact that they no longer feel at home in their own communities, we pin that attitude to ugly racism. I am not saying there is no racism in some of the reactions from the residents in Brampton. We saw that in the video and especially the comments below the video. But could the underlying concern over the cultural transformation of their city be legitimate at all?

Also, notice how the resident of Brampton wonders about whether she lives in Canada or India. The fact that Brampton is a city that is hugely unlike a city in India in some respects does not mean that it does not resemble one population-wise (obviously with some distinctive Canadian elements thrown in the mix).

 

I have ZERO concern or interest in what information is shared with you. What I'm concerned about is your frequent attempts at sharing unreliable information on this forum and your lame excuses as to why you do it.

 

It's significant that South Asian Canadians, who the video oversimplifies as "Indian," are similar and form a community in important ways, but are also remarkably diverse and complex and highly resistant to forming a monolithic bloc.

One of the largest subsets of South Asian Canadians and certainly in Brampton are Punjabi, for example. Many Punjabis have their national roots in India – but many in Pakistan. Many are religiously Sikh – but many Hindu, Muslim, Christian, or secular. Similar divisions among as among Punjabis we'll see immediately among Tamils, Bengalis, etc.

English is the common lingua franca for all, the home language for many, the principal language of instruction in school for materially all children.

South Asians Canadians are and Brampton is a classic political swing constituency. There are numerous South Asian frontbench legislators and cabinet ministers, and there are or recently were numerous South Asian Brampton MPs or MPPs, for each big three Canadian political party.

A big part of these diverse people forming a South Asian Canadian community together is a specifically Canadian phenomenon.

I agree the population of Brampton is numerically dominated by South Asians, and amenities in Brampton cater to South Asians materially but not exclusively.

As a European Canadian who trades into Brampton for many amenities, this doesn't impact me adversely.

I can obtain health, trades, and professional services, and shop for anything at conventional Canadian and North American independent stores, malls, and box stores. I can dine well in Brampton for years having dishes from around the world, and never a single South Asian dish if I choose. I can shop at one of several Polish delis. One is at 20 Polonia Avenue in Brampton.

Many amenities in Brampton are shared with the Greater Toronto and Greater Golden Horseshoe areas of which Brampton is a blip in the continously populated core. When I scan my car radio in Brampton, I'll hear dozens of mainstream English-language stations targeting Greater Toronto or adjacent markets. There are only a few South Asian language channels, on more marginal signals. Not one radio station is even specific to Brampton. Pooja and Gurdeep took over the morning show on Toronto's adult contemporary heritage station CHFI a few years ago. They chat in standard North American English about universal themes of everyday life and entertainment and play the same small playlist of heavily-researched songs from artists like Adele and The Weeknd.

I'm not worried about Brampton culturally transforming into something out of step with Canadian culture or values.

However, a person can be concerned that it will and can express that concern, as you do, from a position that is not racist.

 

What? No Bhangra? That's OK. Plenty of it, down the dial....

"The Punjabi and Sikh communities take immense pride in Bhangra and recognise it as a cultural and religious identity symbol. The dance form is an integral part of Punjab's rich cultural heritage and serves as a way to connect with the region's traditional practices, customs, and folklore"

From here: https://www.hindustantimes.com/lifestyle/art-culture/bhangra-dance-a-captivating-punjabi-folk-tradition-that-s-winning-hearts-across-the-globe-101681970432689.html

 

South Asian and particularly Punjabi music really are making their presence felt in the Canadian mass market for music.

In 2017

Critics note Drake's complex and evolving relationship with South Asian culture.

South Asian Canadian and especially lately Punjabi Canadian popular musicians have achieved commercial success in Canada and sometimes staggering success internationally. Sidhu Moose Wala first released music as an international student in Brampton in 2017. Assassinated in India in 2022, he now appears to be a central figure in Punjabi hip hop history à la Biggie or Tupac. At the 2023 Juno Awards the first musician performed entirely in Punjabi on the national English telecast, AP Dhillon. At the 2024 Junos the second did, Karan Aujla, and he also won the Fan Choice award, a major award and previously only ever won by a performer principally in English. Canadian Punjabi artists "are redefining global music," says Rolling Stone Australia.