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  1. Khan

    Khan New Member

    Addiction. Bad. She was charged with forging the prescription.

    I've long believed that stiffer penalties for drug users would reduce the sale of illegal drugs. It's simple economics. Lower demand = less profit. [/QUOTE]

    I don't think you can lower demand. People have been smoking/eating the fun plants since the dawn of time. And I certainly don't think we can afford to house all the addicts out there. We would need a state designated for it.
  2. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    Haven't we already designated California ?:)
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    "Stiffer penalties"

    That IS a popular theory in law enforcement these days. The problem is, addicts are not rational concerning their addictions and their lives revolve around the addiction. They are remarkably short-sighted as a group.

    The success rate of mandatory treatment is ALSO not encouraging. It is basically zero.

    About the only successful approach seems to be the twelve step model and I suspect that it succeeds only because it is self-selecting; most people going to AA and NA WANT to be there and WANT to escape the addiction. Even so, large numbers of addicts return eventually to their addictions.
  4. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

  5. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    Well, it is crystal clear what the two most harmful drugs in the U.S. are.

    Are you talking about taking the users of those drugs out of circulation?
  6. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    Illegal drugs.
  7. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    Of course. The most harmful drugs are fine.

    Got it.
  8. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    I don't know too many smokers who became homeless, abandoned their families, or rob homes to support their habit (though it may become that way if they keep taxing it)

    No, I don't smoke

    Though alchohol is a problem, a great many people drink responsibly -- but I am sure you will argue next that a great number of illicit drug users who are responsible with their habit as well. And yes, people who drink and drive, drink and commit crimes should be locked up with the rest of them.

    Oh, wait a minute, Your talking about caffiene, aren't you?
  9. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    That is your're not your.

    Wanted to get that corrected before Janko saw it. :)
  10. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    True. But if tobacco were illegal -- which would exponentially increase the costs -- this would surely happen.

    By the way, do you know any marijuana smokers who abandoned their families and rob homes to support their habit?

    Well, yes, that is exactly what I would argue, at least in respect to marijuana.

    And somehow you think that the fact that you predicted the logical response to your argument somehow makes that response invalid?
  11. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    Yes, many.
    I pastor at the local homeless shelter and have gotten to know some of the guys. Listen to their testimony regarding week and tabacco, you will get a different perspective.

    Not necessarily.
    I don't doubt there are folks who use marijuana recreationally and lead productive and unintrusive lives (just as there are functional alcoholics), but I submit that is the exception, not the rule. Don't have any references, just lots of life experiences.

    I wish Jimmy would ring in on this, I believe he has professional experience surrounding this topic and could really shed some light.
  12. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    In my experience, I've noticed that the people I know who smoke pot regularly tend to be a little "slower" mentally, a little less inclined to excel at work, and in general a little less "on the ball" than usual.

    This is not scientific by any means, just something I've noticed. There certainly seems to be a correlation. Sure there are exceptions on both sides, but in general these are my observations.
  13. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    Are you comparing them to people who drink alcohol on a regular basis? Or just to the general population?

    Also, am I to understand that you believe that since these people tend to be "a little slower" and a little less "on the ball," they should be incarcerated?

    And at the same time, raging alcoholics are encouraged by our society (as long as they don't drive.)
  14. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    Just people I know.

    No, they would be punished for doing something illegal.

    That has nothing to do with my post, but I'll buy that.
  15. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    And why is it illegal? Particularly when alcohol is legal.
  16. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    Ask your congessman.
  17. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    And he would say that because his constituents like you demand that it be that way.

    In fact, you demand even stiffer penalties for marijuana users?


    Because it's illegal.

    And why is it illegal.

    Because people like you want it to be.

    It's just a giant circular agrgument. Absolutely no basis in reason.
  18. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    As usual, I don't know how you drew that conclusion.

    I suggested stiffer penalties for users of illegal drugs as a way to curb the problem. I also said jailing drug users is not practical. I didn't comment on my opinion of which drugs should be illegal.

    If you don't like the way your congressman votes, you should elect someone else.
  19. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    Read what you wrote. I'm not even drawing a conclusion, just repeating what you said.

  20. gkillion

    gkillion New Member


    Do something illegal, get punished. Drink & drive, murder, rape, break campaign finance laws, etc....

    Here you are evading the point again. I never said I thought smoking pot should be illegal. If you believe I did, show me.

    As a means to reduce the behavior. Didn't say I agreed with it.
    As I said before, elect someone else.

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