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Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Guest, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. BLD

    BLD New Member

    Do you ever actually listen to Rush? While the guy is hardly perfect, I certainly wouldn't apply any of those labels to him.

  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Yes, Barry, I listen to Rush on the EIB network nearly everyday. I grew up in the South. I know all the code words for racism and bigotry and Rush uses a number of them.

    Rush is from the old line conservative school much like Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and others. Deep down inside, away down deep inside, they really would rather have a segregated society and really don't trust most blacks.
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    To place Rush in the same worldview as Strom Thurmond is quite humorous.....:D
  4. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member

    I agree with Jimmy on at least two things.

    Assuming guilt for the sake of argument, Rush should be treated the same as others who have committed crimes involving controlled substances.
    Romney would make a good president, political partisanship be damned (sorry Russell).


    P.S. Also, talking heads lsuch as Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, are not authoritative sources. It irritates me when people use their hyberbolic statements as evidence supposedly supporting a point. I feel the same when those opposed refer to Moore's "work".
  5. BLD

    BLD New Member

    Hi Jimmy,
    You're definitely hearing something that I'm not hearing then. I've listened to Rush for years and have never heard anything even close to a racist comment. In fact, I've heard quite the opposite.

  6. BLD

    BLD New Member

    I agree IF he has committed a crime. But until that is proven, I'll assume his innocence just like I do for others who are accused.

  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    In fifteen years of working in the field of addictions in private practice, addictions agency counseling, and mental health agency counseling, I have never had a script addict who didn't obtain his or her drugs illegally.

    Medical personnel and coworkers would steal from the medical pharmacy, pharmacists and coworkers would steal from the pharmacy, clients would use fake names and fake I.D.'s to obtain scripts, addicts would have friends and/or relatives give them their own meds, addicts would have friends and/or relatives fake illnesses to obtain meds and then sell them to the addicts, addicts would steal the meds from friends and/or relatives, addicts would buy meds on the black market, and on and on and on, all illegal.

    I guess we could be "Clintonesque" and ask what is meant by illegal. We could then look at Dr. George Nickopolouswho was Elvis' personal physician.

    Dr. "Nick" would write script after script after script for Elvis. So, we could say Elvis obtained them legally but we tread on thin ice here, I think. Illegal means were used no matter how we want to disect this. Overprescribing is illegal and Dr. "Nick" was charged with and subsequently lost his medical license for overprescribing.
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    As I said earlier I grew up in the South and know the code words. For example, "ethnic purity of a neighborhood" doesn't sound offensive. It could mean keeping a neighborhood of Jewish people, black people, Polish people, etc., "pure" to maintain the customs and culture.

    However, I know it is a code word for racism. It basically means "keeping people in their place."

    "Southern strategy" is another code word for racism. I have heard Rush use this word many times.

    I have even heard Rush mock blacks by using stereotypical black lingo. "The Reehun' Jesse Jackson," etc.
  9. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    Jimmy, I think you're demonstrating exactly what Rush pokes fun at... people who look for racism in every statement made by a right winger. Rush uses a very "tongue in cheek" style that some people don't comprehend. Don't you think that if he made serious racist statements, every network in the country would lead their evening news with the story.

    He sometimes imitates the way people talk. Your "Reverend Jackson" is a good example. He also does a dead on Bill Clinton. Do you think he has a predudice against southern people because of that?

    As far as his drug addiction, I was disappointed when he admitted the charges were true. However, he didn't try to deny them. As soon as the charges became public, he addressed the issue in a respectable manner. After rehad, he admitted that he had a new perspective on addiction and that he had changed his way of thinking about it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    As far as I know, he has never admitted to using illegal drugs. He has not even disclosed the specific painkiller he was addicted to.

    Just because the guy has a few flaws does not mean his message is incorrect. I still listen to him and agree with many things he says, as do millions of other people.
  10. BLD

    BLD New Member

    I really think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one. I repeat that I've never heard Rush make anything close to a racist statement. He pokes fun at blacks and whites equally. When he talks about Jackson he is imitating Jackson's own voice. I think it is hilarious, but not racist... He also does a fantastic Ross Perot. Is he making fun of white people when he does that?

    I'm still unclear about your earlier comment that Rush should be in jail?? What has he been convicted of?

  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Ummm, then the matter is settled, Jimmy. Fifteen years of one person's work in addictions sets the course for all humankind.

    Yep, I reckin ole Rushbo is guilty ain't he? :D
  12. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    I've been listening to Rush since 1988. For years, I listened to him for at least an hour a day 3-4 days a week. I used to enjoy his show, but I have grown to despise him.

    Look, Rush is a disc jockey. He has no real understanding of politics. He is obviously very talented and entertaining, but he is not even remotely close to being an expert on politics.

    Yes, he has been right on the outcome of most Presidential elections since he has been on the air. But that is because he ALWAYS predicts that the Republican will win.

    Was Rush right in 1992? Or 1996? No.

    And for that matter, he didn't even predict the "Republican Revolution of 1994" even though he later took credit for it.

    Rush has no political philosophy. He simply agrees with whoever the Republicans are who happen to be in power at the time.

    For example, he used to favor abolishing the Federal Department of Education, when that was the policy of the Reagan administration. Now, he favors DRAMATICALLY INCREASING the power of the Department of Ed. because that's what President Bush thinks.

    I have to agree a bit on this. The arrogance is part of Rush's shtick. When I first started listening to him, I too, came to appreciate it's humor. But he's different now. It is not unusual for more than half of the show to be about RUSH. Not about politics. Not about America. About RUSH. Which is fine, if that's what you like. But don't try to pretend that he is not extremely arrogant.

    Now, BLD, I have a question for you:

    Do you also vehemently defend young black men in the ghetto who are addicted to drugs?

    Do you automatically assume that if a young black man is found with prescription drugs that he probably got them legally?

    And also, will you say right here that O.J. Simpson was absolutely innocent of murdering his wife? "Innocent until proven guilty" and O.J. was not (and now, can never be) proven guilty of this crime.
  13. BLD

    BLD New Member

    "Also" implies that I vehemently defended Rush. I didn't. I said let's see if he is proven guilty or not before rushing the judgment. I would say the same whether black or white, ghetto or suburban.

    No. What does a person's race have to do with any of this anyway?

    OJ was proven guilty in the civil action. I've never claimed that every court decision is always right. But I will say anyone has a right to defend themselves in court. Rush, OJ, or anyone else.

  14. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    That's not true. He has many times criticized the Presidents Ed. policy. He has also commented on how much input Ted Kennedy had in drafting the plan.
  15. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member


    O.J. was found liable in a civil action. It is impossible to be found guilty in a civil action. Impossible. You can be found liable, but you can NOT be found guilty. There is an enormous difference. And if you do not understand this difference, then it is pointless to engage in any conversation regarding this.

    But that doesn't matter to you. You are perpetuating lies in order fo further your politcal agenda. That is disgusting.
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  16. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    NCLB was enacted in nearly the exact form that Bush proposed it. Rush can blame it on the liberals, but the fact is that HE supported it when it was going through Congress.

    Any real conservative (like Bill O'Reilly, or Michael Savage, for that matter) would have said, from the beginning, that this was a horrible plan. Rush did exactly the opposite.
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  17. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    I have heard Rush criticize the plan. Are you calling me a liar again?
  18. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    No. I don't doubt that he criticized it. But Rush has no real political philosophy. He will support something one day, and oppose it the next.

    Yes, I, too, have heard Rush blame NCLB on Kennedy, even though the regulations he is criticizing were proposed by Bush. He's criticizing Kennedy for supporting Bush's plan.

    I have also heard Rush support NCLB, when he's talking about Bush's accomplishments.

    I'm not calling you a liar. In fact, it seems that YOU are the one calling ME a liar.
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  19. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    By the way, I see you have conveniently ignored the post where I pointed out that you were completely incorrect when you said that O.J. had been "proven guilty."

    So, in that case, you were lying. Or just loudly voicing an incredibly ignorant opinon. Which was it?
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  20. BLD

    BLD New Member

    Okay, he was found liable.

    It really has no relevance to this discussion anyway.


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