Liberty University and UA degrees

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Disciple, Jan 20, 2004.

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  1. Disciple

    Disciple New Member

    Liberty University accepts applicants with Bachelor degrees (128 credits) in their Master´s program. That is not unusual but that Bachelor does not have to be accredited!
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, I see where I got confused. LU is in fact accredited by SACS but the law school is not accredited by the ABA.
     
  4. Charles

    Charles New Member

    Hi Nosborne,

    The LU's inaugral law school class is scheduled to begin in August 2004. The LU School of Law is not yet eligible to apply for ABA provisional approval.

    http://www.liberty.edu/Academics/Law/index.cfm?PID=3767

    Per, yesterday's Dean's Blog, LU is going to award up to fifty full tuition scholarships.

    http://www.liberty.edu/Academics/Law/index.cfm?PID=5054
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, they certainly have the resources to create an accredited program. Still, it takes courage to be in that FIRST ENTERING CLASS!
     
  6. Disciple

    Disciple New Member

    But what do you think about a RA university that accepts unaccredited degrees in their postgraduate programs?

    I asked them if they would accept me with a Bachelor of Counseling from Saint Regis University in Liberia for their Master of Divinity program and their answer was positive!
     
  7. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    What exactly did they say? Most acceptance of unaccredited degrees by RA institutions is taken on a case by case basis when they accept them at all. My take on Liberty is that "may" accept an unaccredited degree and admission to graduate studies is conditional with students admitted on academic probation status.

    On the opposite side of the fence some schools are very restrictive. The general policy from the University of North Dakota is that it will not accept degrees for specialist or doctoral studies from countries outside the US and Canada. http://www.und.edu/dept/grad/genrequ.html
    I guess that Oxford or Cambridge diploma won't do a person much good at UND -- better go to Harvard instead. :D

    John
     
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  8. Ike

    Ike New Member

    St. Regis is not just unaccredited. It is a degree mill. Are they aware of the fact that St. Regis is a degree mill?

    Ike
     
  9. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    Ike,

    That is an erroneous statement....they do not have RA or american accreditation, but nonetheless they are accredited, whether you like the Liberian accreditation or not. For some folks that seems to be in order and serves them well.

    Making statements like that is just plain emotive.

    B.
     
  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    There is a huge difference between "accredited" and "legitimately accredited". It's very much up in the air if the legitimate government of Liberia knows about the whole St. Regis deal, and even if it does....how much faith do you place in a country that seems to be perpetually involved in a civil war?
     
  11. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    Well, do you accept degrees from Angola, Sierra Leone, Mazambique, Iraq, Libya, Burundi, Rwanda, Serbia, Zimbabwe, an array of South American countries, Uganda, Nigeria, Fiji and the list could go on.....These countries have all experienced civil strife, corruption in govt, tyranical leaders and some still do.

    So must we therefore exclude any and all degrees from these countries as dubious, because of strife in that country. Even South Africa has not escaped controversy in the past and there is still corruption at all levels including the University system.

    This is not an endorsement of such countries or their leaders, but the degrees issued are still accredited in the home country and although not universally accepted internationaly, there would be many countries i(ncluding western) that do accept these degrees.

    As I understand it the civil strife is largely over; if SRU provides employment to some ex University of Liberia faculty then good on them. Making fun of their faces (as some have done), refering to comical characters and generaly debasing these people does nothing to strengthen your argument.

    I still believe that if a person is capable of gaining admission on the strength of his SRU degree to a Grad course at a RA university in the States, then it will become abundantly clear to all if he/she has the mental accuity and knowledge to master the advanced studies.

    There has been an Alumnus lof SRU lately that posted on another thread, which to me at least, did not make coherent sense. I saw it more as a cry for attention stemming from low self esteem and I feel sorry for that person. I choose to be believe that such persons might not make the cut in Grad schools, but I suppose even the best of Ivy League has graduated some interesting characters.

    Thanks.

    B.
     
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  12. Ike

    Ike New Member

    The problem is that SRU is not a Liberian university.

    Ike
     
  13. Ike

    Ike New Member

    Some of the better known and legitimate Liberian universities are as follows:

    1. University of Liberia
    2. Cuttington University College
    3. William V. S. Tubman College of Technology.

    Ike
     
  14. Ike

    Ike New Member

    Directory of African Colleges and University

    St. Regis (SRU) is conspicuously missing from the Directory of African Colleges and Universities . All recognized and legitimate higher institutions in Africa are listed in this directory. If it isn't listed, it isn’t authentic. SRU isn't listed.

    Ike Okonkwo, PhD
     
  15. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    Ike, bad move...I know this list from Rhodes University. I also followed your link and I am sorry, but they are listed; therefore by your own acknowledgment they are recognised, authentic and legit.

    Just look under Liberia Ike.

    B
     
  16. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    Yes. But since when is some person in the Chemistry department at Rhodes the definitive source of information?

    In any case, I don't know why you all are wasting your time discussing St. Regis. It's so obviously worthless. And IMHO it's been fatally wounded by all the publicity. Obscurity is the key to a useful degree!
     
  17. Ike

    Ike New Member

    CORRECTIONS !! CORRECTIONS!! CORRECTIONS

    CORRECTIONS:
    I blundered and will like to retract my words. After taking a second look at the list, I realized that it contains names of questionable schools. Some unaccredited American (US) schools are also in the Directory and are masquerading as authentic African universities. One of them is Newport University in Newport Beach California . Newport University is listed as a South African university. Wrong. The directory was prepared by the Chemistry Department at Rhodes University of South Africa (a legitimate and recognized university in SA). If they are unable to correctly list only authentic and legitimate schools in South Africa, I wonder what good the list will do for a person trying to use it as a reference guide on authentic African universities and colleges. If they can’t get it right in SA, they obviously can’t get it right in 52 other African countries.

    Ike Okonkwo, PhD
     
  18. Ike

    Ike New Member

    I totally concur.

    Ike Okonkwo, PhD
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Returning to the original question...I wonder if it makes any difference that the graduate program is "professional" rather than "academic"? Also, would LU be more likely to admit a UA BA holder to its seminary traing than to, say, its law school?

    Before I get accused of suggesting that religious programs have lower standards, let me state that I am not suggesting any such thing. I suspect, though, that seminary training is not precisely the same thing as law or business school in that the applicant, as I understand it, is responding to what he considers to be a call from God. I am asking whether the school would take that call, that witness I suppose, into account in making their admissions decision.
     
  20. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Recruiters recruit. I am hoping the SRU degree would get trashed in the application process.

    I think accepting unaccredited degrees is fine if the school has taken the time to distinguish the good from the bad and the ugly.
     

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