Liberalism...I think I like it!

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by b4cz28, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I have never been to far on the right (but was on the right) but now I think I've moved over to the left.
    Pro LBGT issues….Check
    Helping immigrants get citizenship faster...check
    Free healthcare...check
    Pro Union…check
    Yep I'm on the
  2. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Guess I am on the other side
    Pro LBGT issues….don't care - live and let live
    Helping immigrants get citizenship faster...only if they follow the process and remove the rest
    Free healthcare...perhaps with some government funded clinics. But not some non-sense they are force-feeding us
    Pro Union…nope, they protect the lazy and worthless (that was my experience with them)
  3. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Just to make this clear...I'm not starting a debate on the subject. Just pointing out that over the years my mind set has changed.

    I think everyone has the right to be happy.

    If we as Americans made the immigrants to this nation feel more welcome they would adopt our culture and embrace our ways of freedom.

    If we all pay a little money we can all have healthcare.
  4. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Haha! You kind support some of those issues...your a quasi-lib

    It made me think of this....

  5. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I do agree that everyone should be happy and live free of descrimination. I have issues with people entering the country illegally and being treated like they deserve the same rights and benefits as citizens (natural or naturalized).

    I do not think about should be without healthcare but the current plan is not the answer
  6. Hadashi no Gen

    Hadashi no Gen New Member

    I also believe in these, but don't understand why people in the US want to be aligned with one of two political orientations (right/left). Many people set their selves up for failure in my opinion. So, be careful!

    Believe in what you think is best for humanity... that is awesome. But continue to keep an open, flexible mind.
  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Oh boy, that's just what we need... ANOTHER liberal :toothache:

  8. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    By the way, there is no rule that says that you have to define yourself within the confines of a one-dimensional spectrum. You may be technically liberal on some issues and technically conservative on others. Your frame of reference, your schema, and what you value should shape your political views and level of participation, not the other way around. :smile:
  9. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    "Not that I condone fascism, or any ism for that matter. Isms in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself." - Ferris Bueller
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

  11. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Right/Left is not a political’s a belief system. Read my title and note that I never said I was a Democrat.
  12. Hadashi no Gen

    Hadashi no Gen New Member

    You are right. Right/left and liberal/conservative are political orientations currently in the United States, though. I am just letting you know that you should never pigeon-hole yourself, although I think it is wonderful that you are recognizing where your own personal beliefs lie in relation to current political issues. Just because one person believes in gay rights, or universal healthcare, does not mean that they are not conservative in other ways. Keeping an open and flexible mind for yourself will make it easier to do so for others, and encourage the best for everyone. Many of us here in the US are too quick to fit ourselves into neat little political and social boxes, discouraging forward movement in the best and most advantageous direction for all.

    Anyway, I applaud your recognizing your own personal development! May you use this growth to make the best for yourself and others. We are all so different from one another :)
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    American culture is actually pretty good at assimilating immigrants. Give it a generation or so and just about everyone Americanizes. Europeans, meanwhile, seem to suck at this.

    You can leave me out of your "we", thank you very much.

  14. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Well that was my main point.....funny how people change after being one way for so long.
  15. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    I'll keep the healthcare that I earn as opposed to an inferior product the government is forcing on people. I don't think I should have to wait longer to see a doctor so that some deadbeat can be seen first for a service my tax dollars are paying for. We have nationalized healthcare, it's called the ER.

    I have no problem with people immigrating here LEGALLY, but granting millions of illegals a free pass is ridiculous. Look, if you're willing to learn english, assimilate into American society and don't have a criminal record I'm all for you coming here, just do it the right way.

    LGBT issues. None of my business, do what makes you happy.

    Unions in theory are a good thing. In their current form, they are nothing more than a cancer on industry and a huge contributor to the downfall of American manufacturing and the economy. They suck workers in by spouting about how much executives at a particular company make and how it's so unfair. Have you ever looked at what the head of a union makes (off of dues paid by members)? It's far more disgusting than what the head of a company that generates millions/billions of dollars for the economy is taking. Unions on the other hand provide nothing directly to support the economy yet their leaders take home lavish salaries.
  16. Hadashi no Gen

    Hadashi no Gen New Member

    I find it interesting that many people argue against having a broader reaching health care system here in the US because they think that it will be inferior or place restrictions around what they can do. When I lived in Japan I paid into the lowest tier of government healthcare, which covered 70% of all medical costs (including dental), which were already low because there are no insurance companies taking large amounts of money, less lawsuits, and medication costs less. Even before I had insurance and needed x-rays for a potentially broken toe, I received x-rays on 3 different occasions, LOTS of meds, and only paid $100. If I had insurance, all that would have cost me $30. When I had a wisdom tooth pulled, it cost me $16... and I never had to wait months on a waiting list, or receive lower quality care... even though I was a minority and racism is pretty rampant there. We can argue about having the healthcare that we ourselves earn... but the fact is that a majority of people here in the US can work all they want and not earn their own health care. Right now, it really is a thing of privilage rather than care. I'm glad to live in VT where we may be the first state to have single-payer health care for everyone in the state.
  17. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I'm sorry I own my own company and can't get covrage. I have tired, been denied by four companies. So I guess I get to die someday when I don't have money for a surgery I need? Thanks man! Gooo America!
  18. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    If you worked for The Man instead of owning your own company, odds are that you would have some form of healthcare through your work.
  19. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Agree...agree...agree....agree. You have the longer version of what I said.
  20. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Congratulations on earning healthcare. It's too bad they don't make some sort of rubric to let us know exactly what it takes to deserve it. For some people, having the right last name is good enough, for others, working 60 hours per week between two jobs while suffering from chronic arthritis isn't nearly enough.

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