KW again

FNHayes wrote:

> I joined DegreeInfo around one year ago[...]
> Surprisingly, it's only a year ago since one of these senior
> members suggested that if I wanted a recognised DL degree I
> should enrol with Kennedy-Western of [sic] Fairfax.

Was this publicly, or in private e-mail?

I couldn't find such a thread. The earliest message I found from you was dated 2 December 2002, in a thread where you were defending your doctorate from Trinity College and University.

 

For Mark's benefit, I have never felt the need to defend my work with the NZ Brown Teal - or to defend the numerous papers and books I've written on the subject. But I have felt the need to publisise the drastic status of the species and I'm sure Mark will be pleased to hear (if he can take his mind off Kennedy-Western
- and/or/of Fairfax - that considerable progress in now being made towards saving this species. No doubt many will see this as being a direct result of my 'unaccredited' masterpiece!

 

These types of statements are always more interesting when they're true. Still, there certainly is a bias here against unaccredited degrees. I don't have a problem with that because most biases allow for exceptions, and there certainly are some good exceptions out there. The National Test Pilot School is a great example. There are others (but not, in my opinion, Kennedy-Western).

I don't believe that there has been any change at all over the last year. Even when AED was a viable entity, that bias existed.

As to your K-W or Fairfax recommendation, I feel compelled to mention that becoming a senior member requires breathing in and out over a period of several days (oh yeah, and making a few posts). There is no legitimacy attached to someone being a senior member. They've just been here a while.


Tom Nixon

 

Okay, so the National Test Pilot School's is a good 'unaccredited' school, but what other good 'unaccredited' schools are there?

 

Bob Jones University

 

It has been mentioned by some "senior members" that CCU is not horrible. Myself I've said the worst thing about them is that they are not accredited which has a tendency to limit their degree utility.

The general position for as long as I can remember (which is a bit longer than a year) has been by most that a Bachelor's degree should almost always be GAAP. The option of an unaccredited degree is more reasonable for advanced degrees depending on many other factors.

 

Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary.

 

fnhayes:
"I have never felt the need to defend...the numerous papers and books I've written on the subject [of the New Zealand brown teal]."

A recent article on Mr. Hayes' work:
http://times-age.co.nz/weekly/2002/ducks.html

Quote from this article:
"Neil Hayes is a passionate man – passionate about the two loves of his life: Ducks and guns. It may seem to be oxymoronic to say he is a conservationist and a hunter in the same breath but he says most hunters have a keen interest in the preservation of the animals they stalk."

John:
Hoping to have a look at some of the numerous books. Google search discovers one co-written 7-page paper from 23 years ago. Taking on challenging of finding more.

 

NZ Brown Teal

But will a 12 guage with # 5 shot bring them down consistently?

 

Critics or birdies?

 

Does it matter?

jon

 

If John Bear would like a copy of my latest 'masterpiece' I'd be happy to email him a copy - and any other DegreeInfo members.
(The email version takes around 1/2 hour to download - in two segments)
I have made this very generous offer before, but to date only three members have requested a copy. My Uncle Janko thought it was good, as did (I believe) my Australian 'country cousin' Peter French. Numerous well known waterfowl authorities around the world have written in glowing terms about my 'unaccredited' book - a publication which lists 70% of my published papers on brown teal in the Reference Section. Another book, published in 1990, entitled 'A Handbook for Breeding Brown Teal' is not listed.
The paper to which I believe Dr Bear refers was published in 1982
in the UK's annual scientific publication "Wildfowl", and was one of the largest papers published in that edition. Today this paper is still listed as a Reference in most major waterfowl publications.
Dr Bear should also view www.brownteal.com - a website largely created with the aid of my published work. It is a website aimed at 'educating' people about this unique species and about why it should should be saved from 'premature' extinction.
John Bear might also like to know that most of the people directly involved with the brown teal recovery programme are, or have been, hunters; as were Scott, Harrison, Durrel, Aspinall and numerous other wildlife conservationists.
I'm sure that John Bear is very familiar with the work of Ducks Unlimited in the USA - the world's leading waterfowl and wetlands conservation group. And an organisation full of duck hunter members -

 

Yes, sure, Mr. Hayes, and thank you for the offer. (It'll be a good test of my new DSL line, installed this very day.)
[email protected]

Trying to work up a hypothesis on the combined interest in birds and borderline schools. The only other exemplar I know of is Alan Contreras, in charge of Oregon's list of illegal schools, who is quite a well-known writer on birds of the northwest and birds of winter. (An Amazon search finds two of his books, and there are many articles besides.)

 

Wow! How can an article of more than one thousand twelve hundred-words not make a single mention of Dr. Hayes' degree or his “masterpiece”? Perhaps this is simply another example of what Dr. Hayes has previously claimed—that newspapers are the in habit of “often ignoring the real facts and promoting considerable emotive nonsense.”

 

The news clipping to which I believe Gus Sainz refers was published well over one year before my 'masterpiece' appeared in print.
I believe I sent Gus a copy of one of the early drafts and I assume he enjoyed reading it - and is now a much wiser and more tolerant person.

 

The cute little birdies.

# 5 shot just messes up large targets with inconclusive results.

I did knock over a coyote once with birdshot, but he got up and ran away.

 

Many unaccredited schools began or were moved to states such as Hawaii or Louisiana. Are all of them mills by your standards?
James C.

 

This is a dissertation subject for someone in Union's Interdisciplinary Ph.D. program, i.e., Birds and Borderline Schools.

 

PhD in Birds & B.S. ?

 

The article I referred to is dated 12 January 2002. This, of course, is the same year you posted a message stating, “I have had quite a long involvement with TCU.” However, I readily admit that I do not know exactly when you purchased your degree from TCU, but my comments were (quite clearly) made in jest.

You must have me confused with someone else. I never requested nor received (nor do I have any interest in receiving or reading) your “masterpiece”, as it does not have any significant bearing on the legitimacy of TCU. As I recall, all I ever requesting from you were a few good recipes for NZ Brown Teal.

I do admit to being more than a little intrigued, however. Are you certain that, in addition to making me more informed about the NZ Brown Teal, your “masterpiece” will actually make me ”a much wiser and more tolerant person?” As so few literary efforts (even self-proclaimed “masterpieces”) are able to make that claim, could you please explain how your manuscript will enable me to better utilizing knowledge and experience with common sense and insight AND increase my respect for the rights or opinions or practices of others?