KW again

In defense of FNHAYES

I don't know him, I know nothing about and have no CLUE what a NZ Teal even looks like. I deplore the " sport " of hunting,
have no connection with TCU and have no degrees that you folks would not approve of.

I have no vested interest in defending him other than to say that if a person writes a dissertation, thesis, project, WHATEVER you want to call it and produces a studied and creditable work that would, if produced under the auspices of an RA institution be worthy of the approval of this forum then why won't you simply accept it? If FNHAYES refuses to produce his wok that's another story but for Christ's sake!!!!!

Why do you guys have this obsession with RA degrees?

I'm gonna go get a St. Regis diploma , a Doctorate, just to spite this forum. OK, so I'll be out the $1000 and you won't be impressed. So what? My employer will probably pay for it when I do indeed justify the program that I designed in oder to
" qualify " for the degree and I'll delight in your obsessions.

(I am trying desperately to figure out how to put a big grinning smilie face on this post. Three R/A degrees and one in progress and I can't figure that out, so much for the utility of accreditation)

Rafael

BS Western state University, Fullerton, CA
JD " " ( ABA )
MBA Pepperdine, Malibu, CA
MS Kansas State University, KS ( 2004 )
DBA ( looking )

 

The NZ Brow Teal or more properly Pateke, the Brown Teal

or Mr Hayes with Teal

 

Re: In defense of FNHAYES

> if a person [...] produces a studied and creditable work that
> would, if produced under the auspices of an RA institution be
> worthy of the approval of this forum then why won't you simply
> accept it?

Mr Hayes' work may indeed be as good as an RA/GAAP dissertation. Unless he submits it as an RA/GAAP dissertation, how can we ever tell?

> If FNHAYES refuses to produce his wok that's another story
> but for Christ's sake!!!!!

You seem to be suggesting that we evaluate his work ourselves. Sorry, but I don't think that the lone course in Ecology that I took 20 years ago qualifies me to do that. We have different academic specialties.

 

The PATEKE link via Mike Albrecht actually contains some very old information, as there are only 1,000 brown teal now surviving in the wild - down from 2,500 ten years ago, and the scientific name has been changed to Anas chlorotis (from Anas aucklandica chlorotis). This change was a result of the brown teal being declared a unique species and not a relative of either the Auckland Island Teal or the Campbell Island Teal.
To find out more about the unique brown teal, email
[email protected] for a real (Brown Teal Conservation Trust accredited) DL experience! Assessment/Test papers can also be provided.
The response to my brown teal posts has been great, but I should mention that they started from my initial attempt to show that some non-traditional DL institutions are of value and that my association with one of them resulted in "NATURAL HISTORY, CAPTIVE MANAGEMENT & SURVIVAL of the NZ BROWN TEAL" being published. And I'm sure that K-W students have also produced many other 'masterpieces'.

 

Re: In defense of FNHAYES

It isn't a question of accepting Dr. Hayes’ work. What I object to is Dr. Hayes touting his “masterpiece” as proof that Trinity College and University and the degrees it offers are legitimate.

Why does Rolex pursue and prosecute those who manufacture and distribute knock-offs? Why is selling a fake Rolex as a real one a crime? How would you feel if the diamond jewelry sold to you as genuine turned out to be a cubic zirconia? Have you ever been given (with much fanfare) a Romeo y Julieta Churchill only to discover at first sniff that it wasn’t a real Habano? Bummer, huh? Why would you care more about quality of a cigar than that of a degree?

Fake and sub-standard degrees hurt those with legitimate degrees and those with legitimate degrees earned via distance learning in particular.

!Solavaya! ¿Que és lo tuyo?

!Ňo! You don’t need a degree (legitimate or otherwise) to find irony and humor in Dr. Hayes’ posts. Unfortunately, the fact that others may be misled by his misinformation and shilling is indeed serious. But honestly now, doesn’t it bring a smile to your face every time Dr. Hayes refers to his work (however good or shabby it may be) as a “masterpiece”?

 

It is indeed sad to see that Gus has completely missed the point!
I suggest he reads the brown teal manual and becomes educated - and more tolerant of views other than his own!
Sorry no smilies this time. But it's another great day in 'paradise' and brown teal are still surviving.

 

Did I really miss the point or simply disagree with the point you were trying to make? If you have a point other than if credible work is done at a degree mill, then that the degree mill is somehow miraculously rendered a legitimate institution, I fail to see what it is.

Is everyone that fails to read your “masterpiece” uneducated, or just me? In addition, could you be more specific as to precisely which views I am being accused of being intolerant? The only point you have made is that credible work done at a degree mill results in a legitimate degree. Aside from the fact that this premise is so ludicrous as to be extremely humorous, it is also false, misleading, and potentially harmful to a good many people. Should I be more tolerant of such egotistical, self-serving, potentially dangerous averments?

 

Nice one Gus! Also nicely confirming my previous post.

 

Re: Re: In defense of FNHAYES

Te salió lo Cubano mi socio.

 

More Cubans on the board?????

Bienvenidos companeros.

I think that some people miss my point. If you lie in an attempt to defraud and try to pass off a mill degree as RA equivalent then yes, I agree with the board. But if someone came to me with a mill degree, explained the circumstances behind his/her getting it, had the requisite experience to fill a position and was honest and forthright who am I to judge them? I don't THAT much of an superiority complex that I feel threatened.

Example: I just had an applicant who is graduating from a UC school, first degree. He may go to another UC school for an MBA. It happens to one of the best schools in the country for an MBA. He has no experience, no book of clients, nothing other than those RA degrees to offer. What can he offer me? An RA education? Give me an applicant with a mill degree that has documented the books that he/she has read and shows me the way he/she has applied them and has demonstrable results and I'll hire them before the RA applicant.

All I can say is I have learned more from information in books that I have bought and read myself than from many of my RA classes. I also have met MANY people from highly ranked RA schools that have not impressed me in the least.

Now I think I'll smoke me a fake Cuban and read a good book in preparation for the completion of my fake degree.

And, yes I am still looking for a good DBA program but for now I am learning enough from my own readings to make too much sense out of paying for a structured program.

Rafael

BS Western state University, Fullerton, CA
JD " " ( ABA )
MBA Pepperdine, Malibu, CA
MS Kansas State University, KS ( 2004 )
DBA ( looking )

 

I did no such thing. If you could show me where you made another point concerning degrees (and distance education in particular), then, and only then, would you be correct in stating that I missed your point. Moreover, even if I missed your point, you would still have to prove that it was due to my obtuseness (instead of being because you simply didn't articulate your point succinctly) before successfully chastising me for my oversight.

I truly hope your ability to communicate clearly and logically is not exemplified by your posts in this forum. If so, your highly touted (even if only by yourself) magnum opus can only be a “masterpiece” of befuddlement.

So, what’s your point? You know; the one that I am being accused of simultaneously being intolerant of AND missing.

 

My point is that some good can come out on non-traditional, non-accredited, DL institutions.
And, if you haven't noticed, I'm a shill for the NZ Brown Teal, and have been for over 30 years.

 

Mr. Hayes, it is not only Gus that is having a difficult time deciphering your posts. You and others seem to just be placing words into the mouths of some of us, it seems just so you can have something to rally against.

 

I have not seen anyone argue that no good could come out of even a degree mill. Just because some good can come out of something terrible it doesn't change the thing from being terrible to being good.

 

You sir, are guilty of extremely faulty logic. Suppose a habitual criminal commits a murder and subsequently (or even maybe not) suffers a long period of incarceration that results in that individual realizing the errors of his or her ways. Can that individual honestly state that good can come out of murder? Should he or she advocate murder on a public forum? Your involvement with the NZ Brown Teal appears to predate TCU. Why do you insist in ascribing your involvement with such a laudable mission to such an ignoble institution as TCU?

Moreover, isn’t the point you just enunciated the same as saying that credible work done at a degree mill renders the degree mill legitimate? The only difference is that my wording fully expresses what you only implied. If so, I never missed your point, did I?

 

Re: More Cubans on the board?????

Welcome to the real world; no one purchases a degree mill credential for any other reason. Also, you’ve been around long enough to know that there is no consensus on this forum on any matter.

It isn’t a question of feeling threatened. What circumstances are acceptable for getting a degree mill credential, considering that the only purpose it serves is to deceive others?

It's a minor point, but the best MBA programs will not accept candidates without a few years of real world experience.

He or she can offer a lifetime of willingness to work hard, as well as his or her honesty, loyalty and integrity. (I don’t know how long you’ve been in business, but you have no idea what a premium I place on those qualities.) He or she has demonstrated that they have the persistence to stick with a goal (for four years or more) in order to see that goal to completion. He or she has a proven record of accomplishment in making sacrifices of time, money, and effort in order to fulfill their ambitions. Must I go on?

Give me an applicant with a mill degree that has documented the books that he/she has read and shows me the way he/she has applied them and has demonstrable results and I'll show you a lawsuit waiting to happen. Perhaps the fact that you are in a industry where subterfuge, misinformation, and outright fraud at the highest levels is commonplace, and where the victims are frequently obligated to go to arbitration rather than seek redress in the courts (thereby minimizing your liability) has affected your perception. Unquestionably, there are professions where sleaziness is an asset; those with degree mill credentials should be considered superior candidates.

Yeah, me too. However, I have yet to meet an individual with degree mill credentials that has impressed me with their intellect, much less their honesty or integrity.

No, no, no. Don’t waste your time. Enjoy life, smoke a real Habano, and read fake book. On the other hand, don’t read anything at all. The fake degree people can’t tell the difference and don’t care.

No comas mierda. Your proposed topic is simply too important to be sullied by the imprimatur of anything but a legitimate degree program. I am very interested in your proposed topic; send me a private message if you wish to discuss.

You know, Rafael, I tend to look at the pursuit of an advanced degree in comparison to all of the other mid-life crisis alternatives; it’s cheaper than Ferrari, and much more acceptable to the wife than a mistress. In that light, degree mill credentials, like a Subaru or masturbation, simply doesn’t cut it.

 

I'm beginning to understand why Peter French called it a day!
Nowhere in these K-W discussions have I mentioned TCU and to relate murder with TCU is quite ludicrous.
One thing for sure is that Gus could never have tutored by DL! Another point is that I have never said that credible work from what Gus believes is a 'degree mill' renders a 'mill' legitimate.
And as for his latest post; all I can say is that it needs very serious moderation. It is full of inaccuracies, innuendoes, and is most certainly arrant nonsense.
Welcome to the real world Gus!

 

Your fellow degree mill holder Frenchie didn’t call it a day; he has vowed many a time never to post again and returned. I am sure that like Phoenix, he shall rise, once again, from the ashes.

I never equated TCU with murder, and it is ludicrous for you to suggest I did (especially in light of the fact that my post is there for everyone to see). Instead, it was you who tried to make the point that good could come out of degree mills. I simply demonstrated the absurdity of that statement by showing that it could equally apply to the most abhorrent of situations.

Wrong again!

Wait a minute. As this is the only evidence you ever offered in support of the legitimacy of TCU, does this mean that you are freely admitting that your degree from TCU is a fraud? There simply aren’t (nor have you provided) any other reasons to consider TCU a legitimate institution.

Name one.

Never! I am nothing if not blunt. Moreover, all I did was ask questions.

In the real world, the degree you claim is fraudulent. And that ain’t no arrant nonsense (nor is it an innuendo or an inaccurate statement)! How’s that for being blunt?

P.S. Why don’t you ever answer any questions?

 

Gus, you must have surely been a medical practitioner or a lawyer? People in both professions believe they are GOD. And if you were ever a DL tutor I can't imagine you had students for very long!
But regardless of what you might think you believe, or Preach, there IS lots of good work being produced by people enrolled with non-traditional DL organisations.
And whilst DegreeInfo may rule the roost at the moment it could easily follow the three other DL forum groups into oblivion, if discussions like this become totally confrontational when someone has the audacity to detract from 'the establishment' philosophy.
Anyhow, I've joined the St Regis forum - so far they appear to be a far more pleasant group.

 

Birds of a feather tend to flock together.