Kennedy Western University - How would you evaluate?

Minitirade?

I am just voicing my opinion. Maybe some should be on another thread. I have not once taken up for KW. The reason I posted in the first place here was to voice my outrage at finding this out. Do you think the people who see an add in a trade magazine, on an airplane, or the internet know that KW has done this. I sure did not. Obviously, PWU moved to Hawaii, and left some of the school in CA just to become approved. Century U. has been around the block, and now they are up for DETC. CCU in the minds of some on past boards are less than wonderful. If Century and CCU get DETC are they going to become legitimate here?

KW is in the same framework as the above. If the school was run properly it could fall in line with the above.

What do you think KW needs to do to become legit? Can it ever?

 

I’m with Chip. I don’t discard application from these individuals because I think they will lie cheat, and steal. I discard these applications because they already are lying, cheating, and stealing.

You have repeatedly used the terms substandard and legitimate in the same sentence. You just don’t get it, do you? Legitimacy is only achieved by meeting the standard. As such, a school cannot be substandard and legitimate. For example, can someone legitimately claim to be a journeyman or master electrician based on experience alone, or must he or she meet a standard (license exam)?

Is there such a thing as an electrical degree? One of the major problems I have with many unaccredited schools is that they make an electrician (however competent) believe he or she deserves a degree in electrical engineering, a plumber merits a degree in mechanical engineering, a salesperson qualifies for a degree in business administration. You seem to have fallen into this trap and believe that vocational training is equivalent to an academic degree. It is not. For example, most Timex watches tell far better time than a Rolex, but a Rolex they are not. And if you try to pass one off as one, you are lying, cheating and stealing.

 

These are terms that you guys have used and brought into this argument. Substandard to RA, but legitimate. My Opinion.

I was referring to a field of specialty in the degree. Yes, the big 3 have an electrical technology degree.

You really helped my point with this one. I, as described above, prefer a degree in a field to work for the individual. So I prefer the Timex. It works, and though the rolex my look great to the upity upper class who really care about a rolex the timex gets me where I need to go on time. Get that?

 

You still don't get it. I don't care how well it tells time; that's not the point. If you try to sell me a Timex for the price of a Rolex, if you try to pass it off as having the same value, you are a liar, a cheat, and a con artist.

 

Oh I get it. You just keep making my point, and I love it. You do not care about what is learned, how it is learned, or if it works. You care about where it is from. RA or No Way!

 

I have a certain familiarity with the watch business. I have a very nice watch but no Rolex. I wear the top of the line of a brand I sell and have sold a couple identical ones because I was wearing it. Would I want a Rolex, certainly. Would I want a Timex? No. Would I pay money to be excused from wearing a Timex? Yes.

Just like a Kennedy-Western degree every person, that notices, sees an inferior watch and forms their impressions thereafter.

 

I do no such thing. Moreover, your repeating it won't make it so.

You see, I do care about what was learned, how it was learned, and if the job applicant has the ability to put his or her knowledge to work. It’s just that substandard credentials, however, do not, in any shape or form, give me any information about what an individual learned, how he or she learned it, or if he or she is capable of putting that knowledge to work. What a substandard degree does provide proof of, however, is an individual's lack of judgment and ethics. A substandard degree, by definition, is not equivalent to a legitimate degree, and anyone who tries to pass one off as equivalent is being dishonest.

Interestingly, I’m sure that your adherence to, and vigorous defense of, the philosophy that substandard can be legitimate would be rapidly abandoned the next time a loved one needs medical attention.

 

Mean spirited? It's time new newbies with the Charmin degrees were introduced to Levicoff. Where is that guy?

Where is Rich Douglas? He can put things in proper (his) perspective.

Where are Gus's testicles? He has been way too patient.

I remember having an exchange with Rich and Gus about the usefulness of a California Coast DBA, that got brutal. And CCU is among the best of the rest.

Time to wake up the guys with the gold sealed wallpaper, but we musn't hurt their feelings. Bite me.

 

I would like to think that Dave would not want to be in your little group. It seems to be a member of this group you have to have the following qualifications.

1) Stand on a moral pedestal, and falsely accuse people.
2) Be at the height of arrogance.
3) Call people names.
4) Offend constantly.

All this from behind their little computer. If these same people tossed around this stuff in person they would all sport the raccoon look.

 

Love the threats of violence. I am not sure if that is tolerated here.

 

Interestingly, the threats of violence, like the invitations to buss their gluteus maximus, only originate from anonymous individuals hiding behind their little computers. In real life, they're harmless.

 

Good point Gus, but I do find the repeated threats of violence from degree mill supporters to be disturbing. If it is a TOS violation those posters should be warned and if they continue kicked off.

 

plcscott has informed me, via this forum’s private message function, that his threats are not idle ones. According to him, he has 28 years martial arts experience, and he does not “write checks he cannot cash.”

I might have been more concerned, but due to the fact that my years of martial arts experience far exceeds what he claims his is, I know that those who speak as he does, are usually complete frauds.

Hmmmm… credential fraud. Why does that sound so familiar?

 

I own a small business, electrical- plumbing-painting-house repair. We do light interior house repair, they break it we fix it. I try to avoid attic work or crawling under houses. We just installed a door knob for a college prof., seems he bought himself a door knob from Wal-Mart , and just couldn't figure out the instructions. We don't get too involved with construction, but try to stick with fixing, and replacing things, senior citizens often use our services. Your knowledge would go much beyond my electrical experience, just a basic electrical repairman, and I don't do that unless someone doesn't show up for work. I prefer to just manage the empire

 

That’s worth an undergraduate degree at K-W as well as several other schools.

That shows and advanced knowledge of the subject and deserves an Master’s degree.

You do doorknobs? That merits a Ph.D.

I’m sorry, but the Ph.D. is the highest degree offered.

 

I think that it could improve very easily.

By all accounts, the few courses that it does offer aren't terrible. People do real work, they learn something, the courses are taught by real professors and so on.

Many universities, such as the California State University, only require that students take their last 30 units with the university that grants the degree.

But transfer students have to transfer in real accredited college credit, or limited amounts of approved examination credit, ACE-evaluated training and so on. Not only does the credit have to be legitimate and carefully verified, it has to meet all of the university's curriculum requirements for the degree that is to be issued.

That's the model that K-W would have to approximate. They would have to stop allowing all comers into their senior year regardless of their inadaquate previous university-level preparation. That would be a hard choice for K-W, because as we all know, their almost non-existent freshman, sophmore and junior year requirements are precisely their selling point. It's a business decision.

The ideal would be for K-W to actually meet expected accreditation standards. Then there would be little question of their legitimacy (though their history would still be ugly).

But I'd be willing to entertain the possibility that K-W had some legitimacy even if they allowed in transfer credit from the credible state-approved schools. I'd also be willing to see them experiment with non-standard syllabi and stuff like that.

But if they want to experiment and to deviate from widely accepted accreditation standards, then they would have to be able to justify what they are doing, to make it credible. And the more they deviate from expectations, the more responsibility would fall on them to explain precisely what they are doing and why.

 

With due respect to Chip and his method of selecting the best candidate for a position, Chip's method is seriously flawed, for academic qualification play only a part in 'selecting the best candidate' for the job.
Age, sex, marital status, previously employment/work record - applicable to the position, ethnic origin, personality and ability to quickly establish positive relationships, references relevant to the position, years of relevant experience, are all vital ingredients; plus qualifications in that particular area of requirement. All of these, plus more, are the key to perhaps selecting the best applicant.
To file an applicants application in the bin because he or she has
an unaccredited qualification sets a dangerous precedent. Such a philosophy is naive and surely has no place on DegreeInfo - a site that must be above such menial discrimination; regardless of ones personal hatred for anything but Regionally Accredited degrees.

 

Listen Duck Boy, if you were an employer in Canada and said and applied such things in hiring you would be paying fines and settling lawsuits for years.

Who exactly died and made you king of degreeinfo. If Chip likes menial discrimination??, Chip can have menial discrimination.