Kennedy Western University - How would you evaluate?

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How would you evaluate Kennedy Western University?

  1. Kennedy Western is a perfectly creditable university.

    6 vote(s)
    5.6%
  2. Kennedy Western has some creditability as a university

    20 vote(s)
    18.5%
  3. Kennedy Western has virtually no creditability as a university

    82 vote(s)
    75.9%
  1. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    All degreeinfo members are encouraged to take this simple poll on Kennedy Western.

    Recently, statements have been able about this school and how Degreeinfo members feel about its creditability. It seems reasonable to empirically test these statements. Of course, this isn't a scientific study - since participants are self selected, but it will be interesting to see what folks say.

    Regards - Andy
     
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  2. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    1-1-19?

    There goes the anonymity of the poll! :D
     
  3. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Re: Re: Kennedy Western University - How would you evaluate?

    It's 2-3-20 now.

    The silent majority are starting to speak!
     
  4. Han

    Han New Member

    I have seen many posts about this school and the debate to follow. Can anybody give me the top level reason why there is such a debate? I just want to get caught up.
     
  5. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    I believe it is the subject of so much discussion due to the insidious nature of schools like Kennedy-Western University. In many ways, they are more despicable than those enterprises that blatantly sell a degree for absolutely no work.

    The individuals that purchase degrees without doing any work are, in essence, co-conspirators in a fraud. While some individuals with K-W degrees know they are illegitimate, a great many truly are victims. This is because schools like K-W require just enough work at a level that is sufficiently challenging (to the caliber of students they enroll) to create the illusion that the degree was really earned. Thus, students of schools like K-W are victimized not only because of their wasted investment of time, money and effort, but also because they tend to believe (and will spend the rest of their lives vigorously, albeit futilely, defending) that their degrees are legitimate.
     
  6. wfready

    wfready New Member

    This is my impression of the school. I would have a better idea, but, they don't list any curriculum or specific admissions requirements (that alone gives me doubt on whether or not it is a good school).

    It's seems, from other people who have researched or attended KWU, that there is coursework involved. The courses are online and not proctored (which is a BAD thing, as long as they tailor the learning around the fact that the exams [if any] are not proctored [I believe University of Phoenix does this]). If I confuse this school with CCU, I am sorry, I get these two confused. I believe they usually require the student (who, apparently, is admitted w/ prior industry experience or an associates degree) to take several courses to complete his/her bachelors degree in whatever.

    That is all find and good. The curriculum involved SOUNDS a little thin; however, I am sure there is a school, somewhere, giving out diplomas for less work required. The KEY point that most of the people who favor RA and NA over these, from the immortal words of RJT, "legally operating, state liscenced post secondary eduactional insitutions" are stressing the UTILITY of the degrees earned. I think degrees earned at KWU or CCU may be challenging; the problem is that some (perhaps many) employers may not think the same.

    That's my take on it,

    Bill
     
  7. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    You are confused.

    CCU requires far more than 5 courses.

    I have looked at CCU's MBA program and they allow no credit for experience and, I believe, only two transferred courses. You must take 10 courses from them.

    CCU receives a bit more respect than KW and has indicated that it is going to be seeking DETC accreditation. Whether this happens is anyones guess, but it can only have positive impact on their program.
     
  8. wfready

    wfready New Member


    ...and until this happens they will they can get all the RESPECT in the world. Still won't change the usefulness of the degree.

    Bill
     
  9. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    I spoke to a KW rep and it was like talking to a high pressure salesman. They told me to beware of Touro International...they sounded shady.
     
  10. gmanmikey

    gmanmikey New Member

    Two RA schools that have used "high pressure" sales techniques on me are DeVRY and University of Phoenix. Caveat emptor.

    I don't want to become another RJT, but, I have to confess that I think that K-W is some kind of school. After all, it requires a whole five courses plus a paper to get a bachelor's degree. A learning process may be occurring. To me this indicates a school. But five courses plus a paper, possibly on top of an associates degree, is not a bachelor's degree. No way.

    I think that K-W is a school; I just think that it isn't a good school.
     
  11. plumbdog10

    plumbdog10 New Member

    Dennis Ruhl: "CCU receives a bit more respect than KW and has indicated that it is going to seek DETC accreditation."

    Plumbdog: I'm indicating that I'm going to be President of the United States someday, so get on board and send in your campaign contributions now.:D
     
  12. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    The odds of you becoming president of the United States is not significantly different from that of me becoming president of the United States. 1/250,000,000 or 0/250,000,000.

    I believe that making a committment to drop doctoral programs and redesign the rest of the programs means CCU has every intention of attaining accreditation.
     
  13. triggersoft

    triggersoft New Member


    CCU allows up till HALF of the credits to be transfered in, not only 2.

    greets,
    trigger
     
  14. Mike Albrecht

    Mike Albrecht New Member

    At over 75% to to 7.6% (as 0f 6-19-03, 7:45 pm PDT) I believe the that "eyes of all but a few DegreeInfo members Kennedy Western" has a "less-than-wonderful" credabitlity.

    Based on timing, I wonder if this poll has had anything to do with the recent problems. If so, ther should be another attack tommorrow.
     
  15. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Mike Goldberg: I think the dead skunk fumes on Crawford got to you, landsman.* Is it a school? Let me put it this way. There is a certain type of ovarian cyst which contains, for medical reasons far beyond my ken and way off my barbie, hair, bone bits, and an occasional tooth. Babies have that stuff, too, arranged in the appropriate way and in the correct amounts, along with all sorts of other equipment. The common possession of rudimentary forms of the same stuff does not make a cyst an unborn baby. Too much else is missing, and what's there isn't hooked up right.


    *I used to "live" on Kimball.
     
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  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Uncle, I'm very intrigued by your post because of my utter and complete failure in making the least bit of sense out of it.
     
  17. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Ag shame. Let me splain it.

    KW offers bits and pieces of the stuff that makes up a college education. They are not arranged properly. Much is missing that should be there. This is like an ovarian cyst that contains odd bits of body parts. The cyst's possession of attributes (hair, bone, teeth) which a baby also posseses does not make it a baby. Both KW and authentic colleges offer diplomas, for example, and charge tuition. That does not suffice to make KW a fully authentic college, anymore than the unusual composition of a dead cyst makes it a living baby. An authentic college has all the parts and they work together as a cogent system (like a baby). A cyst ain't a baby and KW ain't an authentic college.

    Beyond my ken means I don't know much about medical stuff.
    Off my barbie is an antipodean double pun (in Oz "barbie" is slang for barbecue, plus ken and barbie--get it? )

    The Skokie references were for the amusement of Mike Goldberg, who knows all about the kamikaze skunks on Crawford, etc., etc.

    There.
     
  18. cehi

    cehi New Member

    Uncle Janko: "KW offers bits and pieces of the stuff that makes up a college education. They are not arranged properly. Much is missing that should be there. This is like an ovarian cyst that contains odd bits of body parts. The cyst's possession of attributes (hair, bone, teeth) which a baby also posseses does not make it a baby. Both KW and authentic colleges offer diplomas, for example, and charge tuition. That does not suffice to make KW a fully authentic college, anymore than the unusual composition of a dead cyst makes it a living baby. An authentic college has all the parts and they work together as a cogent system (like a baby). A cyst ain't a baby and KW ain't an authentic college."


    Cehi: Thank you Uncle Janko. I am also included in the population that attend to understand your postings, but usually have great difficulties in doing so. There is a light at the end of the tunnel afterall (Your postings do have a lot of value after decoding). Again, thank you for the clarification.
     
  19. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    OK, now I'm concerned. Unk's posts usually make perfect sense to me. :D
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the explanation Uncle. I think what threw me off so totally was your reference to Mike Goldberg. I thought maybe you were trying to respond to this person but couldn't find his post so I thought maybe the proper context for the post was a different thread?

    I enjoyed your post after understanding it, but I'm not sure if I enjoyed it any less before understanding.
     

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