Just Wow! Draft Supreme Court Opinion

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  1. ArielB

    ArielB Member

    Well, considering 70% of Americans believe that abortion should be legal, this is very likely to help the Democrats in the November elections.
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This seems like a non sequitor considering the paragraph that followed it. One can favor both originalism and interpretation depending on which expands individual liberty. Although unfortunately today's Republicans seem more inclined to curtail liberty, both economically and in people's personal lives.
     
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  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I think it should help Democrats at the State level too but there are issues. Abortion itself can be a very nasty thing regardless of one's legal or philosophical stance. The inevitable debate will be ugly.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm replying to myself because I found a quote that explains this perfectly. While debating Robert Bork in 1986, political theorist Stephen Macedo offered this memorable description of the American constitutional system: "When conservatives like Bork treat rights as islands surrounded by a sea of government powers, they precisely reverse the view of the founders, as enshrined in the Constitution, wherein government powers are limited and specified and rendered as islands surrounded by a sea of individual rights."

    Conservatism has clearly not improved in the meantime.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm speaking hypothetically, not predicting an outcome.

    Couldn't those statutes be overturned as un-Constitutional and those precedent cases be ignored?
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Good question. Many State constitutions have their own ERAs. I suppose if Apple decided not to pay female engineers as much as it pays male engineers doing the same work and the Federal labor people assessed some gigantic fine Apple could take the matter into the federal courts and claim that Apple has the right to discriminate. Arguably there's no constitutional authority to support Congress' enactments. What's a bit scarier, though, is that equal protection might be found to apply only to State actors. All kinds of anti-discrimination legislation could be thrown out. This, by the way, is more or less what happened in the early New Deal. The Supreme Court had an...ahem...change of heart once Roosevelt started talking about court-packing.

    Interesting times.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The more I ponder it, the more I have come to think that it was a conservative aide--or justice--who released the opinion, wanting to ensure the original version saw the light of day. If the final opinion is a watered-down version of this one, you can rest assured this was the case.

    I'm thinking of how liberals could have benefitted from the leak, but I'm not sure I see how. Or, maybe, one of them did it for the same reason.
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Interesting possibility, I had not thought of that. My thought was simply that someone was very upset and therefore decided to break the rules and release the draft ruling. Therefore more likely a Democrat. It might arguably help Democrats if the extra month is used to activate the Democratic base.
     
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  10. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    A trial balloon is typically raised by a supporter rather than an opponent of the measure…
     
  11. ArielB

    ArielB Member

    It helps for two reasons. First, a significant majority of Americans support abortion rights. This will cause some percent of independents who might have voted for Republicans in November to vote for Democrats instead. Secondly, it fires up the Democratic base and causes more people to come out and vote.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Those were coming anyway.

    A leak of this kind is almost unprecedented in the history of the Supreme Court. Even in the most radical and controversial cases/decisions, we haven't seen leaks. What you're describing is routine, when this leak is anything but.

    No, it's not just to rile up a base that was going to get riled anyway once the decision was announced. In fact, one could argue that it diffuses that energy somewhat, as well as having it occur two months further away from the mid-terms.

    In short, I don't think this was political. I think instead it was a result of some internal jousting, either to keep the decision from being watered-down or to try to keep Roberts on board.
     
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  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Last week there was a WSJ editorial that seemed to have inside information on this ruling that turns out to be true! This seems like pretty good evidence that the leak actually came from the right.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The results of any investigation will be either (a) a liberal justice or staff member leaked it or (b) they won't announce any result at all.
     
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  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Just finished rereading the draft. Strongly recommended that anyone interested in the subject should do likewise.
     
  16. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I've read snippets, like the part where they want more babies for sale.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Try reading the whole thing and read it as a lawyer would.
     
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    As a matter of practical politics, I wonder how a pro-choice candidate for Congress will deal with the accusations of barbarism and immorality from her pro-life opponent.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The same way they've been dealing with it for decades.
     
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  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Ignore it and trust to Roe v Wade. But that cover will likely be blown.
     
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