Jill Biden's Dissertation

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by chrisjm18, Nov 8, 2020.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Not true, according to anything I've ever read. They met in Dec. 1998, so Melania would have been 28. She was born Apr. 26, 1970.
    Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

    Trump doesn't need anyone's help to put him in a bad light. He's done that very effectively on his own. Many times.
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  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    She certainly has. Nude modeling is a first for a First Lady. But so is violating immigration laws, cursing Christmas, "chain migration," delaying her arrival to Washington in order to re-negotiate her pre-nup, lying about having a college degree, and choosing a non-existent cause with awful syntax. She's a groundbreaker, that one.
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    He also doesn't need anyone's help in meeting underage girls. Well, he didn't back then, anyway.
  4. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Did he meet or not meet underage girls?
    I mean do they have proofs or has it stayed with rumors?
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm not aware of any accusations of his having met any girls under 18 for sexual purposes, or with that intent. He was once accused of walking into the Miss Teen USA dressing room unannounced, while some girls were not dressed. That's as close as I can find. Long list of alleged incidents, including that one here - no others involving girls possibly under 18, AFAIK. Many denied, explained away etc. Like I said - a list of alleged incidents - I'm not expressing an opinion on which are real or fabricated. Not my job. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Even though I dislike Trump, I think the sort of things that are told about him in the media - the ones that haven't a grain of truth, that is - are terrible. Here's an example. Trump was alleged to have had inappropriate contact "with underage girls." The "incriminating" picture, shown here to debunk the story, was, in fact, Trump with his daughter, Ivanka, in 1993! https://fr.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-ivanka-trump-photo-idUSKCN24E1YA

    With this guy, you have to deal with two kinds of lies. The lies TOLD by Trump and the lies told ABOUT him. The guy may well be a toad - but is he another Roman Polanski? I think not.
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Well, we've done our best - and our worst. Jill Biden's dissertation all over the parking lot, her character unblemished. Melania Knavs/Knauss/Trump completely scrutinized. Her husband, portrayed by media as as a possible monster, turned by our magic DI wand into an ordinary, everyday toad. All in one thread. Me need nap now... Moderators, please close the blinds, if you're locking the thread.
  8. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yep - we have this in another thread of its own. I'm just on my way over there to publish Charlotte Clymer's excellent reply (your name mentioned of course).
    This kind of nonsense (the WSJ "not if you need an MD" article by Jeffrey Epstein) deserves all the bashing it gets.
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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The use of the term "doctor" to connote a scholar far predates its use in medicine. As far as degrees go, the first MD was awarded in 1703. The PhD goes back to the 12th century.
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  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The weird thing about this opinion piece is that I doubt Jill Biden has ever referred to herself as "Dr Biden." So what's to "drop"?

    I'm entitled to use the honorific "doctor" in my personal, professional, academic, and public lives. But I never refer to myself as such in the first person. Neither does she, I'm sure.
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  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    She does, for example on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrBiden

    But just as you say, she's perfectly entitled to do so. I mean, she teaches college courses, what are her students supposed to call her? "Hey you"?
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    To clarify: he was not accused of walking into Miss Teen USA dressing room unannounced. He, in fact, bragged about doing just that, unprompted, in his own voice, on the Howard Stern radio show. There's an audio recording available; I've heard it. Also, a woman, one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims, sued Donald Trump for raping her when she was 13; lawsuit was later dropped. So yeah, there were accusations. Also, there are enough weird quotes and clips of Trump on the subject of Ivanka to give birth to the running late-night TV joke "Donald Trump wants to date his daughter" (PG version). Trevor Noah used the line many times. Of course, it's a joke, not reality. Along the lines of a joke pioneered by the Canadian-American Samantha Bee, "Donald Trump can't read".
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Woooaaah! Thanks for the bad news, Stanislav. I stand corrected. If it's remotely possible, I loathe the man even more. Nothing I can do about that.
    What was I thinking, defending the guy? You can't clean a bottomless cesspool.
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Trump was good buddies with Jeffery Epstein. They used to party together. He famously publicly chided Epstein as "liking his women on the young side".

    I personally lost respect for Melania when she sold her friend down the river when they blamed her for the 2016 inauguration scam. (Another reason that Trump will want a pardon for himself.)
  17. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Yet another voice emerges in the Jill Biden controversy, one that (typically) has only a bachelor's degree (albeit from Yale):

    The National Review is, of course, the conservative magazine that was founded by William F. Buckley. The above article is scathing toward Jill Biden (not surprisingly), but it's a hysterical read. It would be so much more fun if the author was a Ph.D. snob (like me).

    Unlike the author, I can think of one Ph.D. that I knew personally who insisted on being addressed by title: John Warwick Montgomery, who was my jurisprudence professor at the then-Simon Greenleaf School of Law and who insisted on being listed as a "distinguished professsor" at every school at which he subsequently taught (including the notorious Trinity Seminary of Newburgh, a mill). I used to call him John just to piss him off (and it did), but I have to admit I learned a lot from him - like never to require my own books as a text in courses I taught. The best critique I ever heard about Montgomery was from one of my Union professors, who said, "Montgomery's problem is that he is as brilliant as he thinks he is. And he is."

    Anyway, on this issue I'll continue to take Jill Biden's side. Because I like her. Period.
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    False premises and other fake things from that National Review article:

    1. That Jill Biden "insists" on being called "Dr Biden." We have heard no such assertion on her part. Strawman argument.

    2. That an EdD is a "lesser" degree compared to the PhD. No. They're often interchangeable, depending on the issuing school. If there is a difference, it's that the EdD is a professional degree, designed to advance practice in the field of education, while the PhD is scholarly, designed to advance theory.

    3. That the EdD is "something of a joke" in the academic world. This is simply false.

    4. The author states that her dissertation would not have been accepted--and the degree awarded--if she had not been married to Senator Biden from Delaware. He offers zero proof of this, naturally, and the assertion simply does not stand up on its own.

    5. The author claims Biden submitted a dissertation equivalent to a magazine article. I haven't read her dissertation, but without some support, this is an absurd assertion. There's a lot of that in this piece.

    6. He spends multiple paragraphs telling readers THAT her dissertation is inferior, but nothing on exactly WHY that is the case.

    7. He says she wanted the degree for the title of "doctor." Perhaps so. She wouldn't exactly be the first. But I've never met anyone who successfully completed a doctorate with that as their only aim.

    8. He decries an alleged double-standard in the NY Times when they call Biden "Dr" and Ben Carson "Mr." Okay, but what's that to do with his point? Did she or her husband arrange that condition?

    9. Her role teaching at a community college somehow diminishes her claim to the title. This will come as a surprise to (tens of?) thousands of other people teaching at community colleges with the title, "doctor."

    10. After an entire screed about Biden, he says at the end that he'll save the details for another column. So what was this thing?

    There is someone with a distinct lack of research skills and critical thinking here, and it isn't Jill Biden.

    The author does not have a graduate degree, much less a doctorate. He is not qualified to form the conclusions he has, so I'm a little surprised he doesn't post here.
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  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    She does, for example on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrBiden

    But just as you say, she's perfectly entitled to do so. I mean, she teaches college courses, what are her students supposed to call her? "Hey you"?
  20. Dustin

    Dustin Active Member

    Disregard! Someone above already covered this.

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