IUFS makes changes

It wasn't intentional I don't spell well.

I will follow Jacks recomendations

 

[Self-restraint... c'mon... self-restraint...]

Do you mean "Jake's recommendation"? At this writing, no one named "Jack" has posted in this thread.

Oy.

 

A class act!

Sir DesElms, you are a gentleman, a scholar, and a noble knight, true. And you do stand tall!

Although I am not necessarily the object nor intended recipient of your clearly sincere mea culpa, I, and everyone else, watching with bated breath, in them thar and far galleries (royal, peanut, or ho-hum), sincerely do thank you for the warm gesture.

A home-run for DI!

Thanks.



p.s: Pardon the interruption. May the facts-based, logical, informational and incessant hounding and pounding of the deceptive mills, shills, and other nondescript "school"-pretender drivel, continue!

And .......... may new, ground-breaking, alternative, sincere, honest, rigorous, and creative experimentation in idea engineering, knowledge production and technological and humane learning delivery (oh, with an eye to legitimate accreditation sooner, rather than later), also continue unabated.

Now, where does IUFS fit, again?

 

Yes, Jake_A is absolutely right!
Lerner, please stop to confuse the potential applicants of real recognized distance learning schools!

 

IUFS is fully recognized! But only as a questionable Institution!

There is no hope that IUFS and their fraudulent affiliations will ever become real schools in the future.

Yes, they can pay the some ministers, but they will not get a full recognition by the State and the Ministry of Education. So it´s worthless if only a minister will sign some documents.

They als haven´t had problems with telling lies in the past. In my opinion, that will never come to an end.

For a year and a half American Coastline University (well-known as one of the bad affiliations of IUFS) stated that they would be full accredited and recognized by the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation. It´s clear that this haven´t been the truth, of course. So I have asked the Ministry of Education and the Government about their real recognition status. I received the following Mails:

"Thank you for your letter of 12 January.
>
> We would like to inform you that the American Coastline University is not registered as an accredited Higher Education Institution in the Central Database of the National Accreditation Center of the Russian Federation.
>
> It means that the American Coastline University is not recognized by State of the Russian Federation.
>
> We hope this information will be valuable for you.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> pp.Fljura Garifullina
> Evgeniy Shuvalov"
>
> Deputy Head
> National Accreditation Center
> of the Russian Federation
> tel. + 7 (8362) 416194
> fax +7 (8362) 413884
> e-mail: [email protected]
> http: www.nica.ru


Second Mail:
Федеральная служба
по надзору в сфере Mr. Daniel Maluk
образования и науки
Управление лицензирования,
аттестации и аккредитации

Чистопрудный бульвар,6/19,
Москва, 101990
Тел./факс (095) 924-08-30

28.02.2005 № 05-59-4/ак

Dear Mr. Daniel Maluk,
American Coastline University does not have a license of the Federal Service for Supervision in Education and Science of the Russian Federation giving the right to offer and provide university programs. American Coastline University is not an accredited higher education institution in accordance with the Russian Federation legislation and it does not possess a Certificate on state accreditation (recognition).
The Federal Service for Supervision in Education and Science of the Russian Federation is not responsible for quality of education programs provided by the American Coastline University.

Начальник В.И. Круглов


Now their homepage http://www.amercoastuniv.edu/ tells the following: "American Coastline University is now licensed, registered and fully accredited by the Russian Federation, Ministry of Higher Education as a division of IUFS."

Now they tell the truth. They are in fact really "well-known" to the Ministry of Education as an official fraudulent affiliation of the questionable IUFS. Perhaps they should state the "recognition" in this form.

 

This is very informative! Thanks a million, Bob - and welcome to DI!

Thanks for sharing your emails with us. They suggest some support for the position that the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation appears to have spoken firmly and clearly on IUFS's lack of transparency and its questionable status.

Dr. Douglas,

You are a clairvoyant and a prophet!

And a scholar! (... thorough and profound).

Thanks.

 

Come on then please remove unaccredited from the name of this
group.

I didn't post this on the Distance Learning Discussions
there I usually talk only about accredited legitimate schools.

Here I see people post on SRU, Monroand others.

this is a place to if you wish redicule them or post some new info If they change name move ( Run) to another state.

I don'r come here to promote any thing but I would like to share my opinion, I understand that this may mislead new potential students so I will think twise before posting because this site has a good reputation and people tend to extract from here valid information.

P's don't remind me the totalitarian comunists I escaped from.
Can I have my opinion ?

learner

 

Re: IUFS is fully recognized! But only as a questionable Institution!

I simply curious did you get the same responces about IUFS?

ACU today apppears to be a big fraud.

On the other site IUFS posted their suplements to license and it appears they can teach only 6 subjects and non of them lead to a degree.
Why are they exposing this?
to me it appeas as a sign of maybe just maybe this time they willing to change and stop the BS.

And no there is no hiden agenda or trying to sneak something here , this just an opinion.

If I was looking for a less expensive way to earn a degree i would look at UNISA or Cal State DH etc.

But IUFS its like reading detective book.

 

Congratulations on superb work and welcome aboard, Bob!

 

There are differences between:

Diploma Mills--operations that sell diplomas.

Legitimate-but-unaccredited schools. Schools that seem to offer comparable (or nearly so) educational experiences and requirements.

Illegitimate and unaccredited schools. Operations that require some work, but obviously do not compare favorably to either accredited schools or the better unaccredited ones.

Diploma Mills we often talk about here: St Regis, Sorbon, TC&U.

Legitimate-but-unaccredited schools include California Pacific and CIIS.

Illegitimate and unaccredited schools include Knightsbridge, Century, and Kennedy-Western.

I write this for a reason. It would seem that anyone who has posted here for awhile would be able to discern the differences. And asking naive questions when one is not so naive suggests other motives.

 

@ Jake_A, @ uncle janko

Thank you very much. I think, this is the best discussion board on Distance learning. I have been here anonymously as a genuine information seeker for years. There´s nothing like this in Germany.


@ Lerner

Yes, of course you can have your opinion.
Congratulations for your escape from the communists!

But your own words are: “ACU today appears to be a big fraud”.
Do you really think that there ever will be a change of IUFS, if they have branches, that are operating unauthorized? ACU doesn´t have the right to offer and provide university programs. But they do for several years.

So I can´t see here any importantly changes. They should run a new entity with new academic personal and new programs. And they should avoid questionable accreditation memberships and affiliations with unauthorized institutions. Then I feel they are really interested in an academic change.

I will check the actual status of IUFS next time and will tell the results in this forum.

 

I have never, up to this point, seen what I consider a diploma mill pull itself out of the gutter into respectibility. If you think one of these scams are going to one day turn respectible then I believe that you're probably just going to be disappointed.

 

You're not getting it... as usual. You seem to be confusing your right to post something -- for our purposes, here, let's say anything -- about an unaccredited entity, and other members' right to then react accordingly. If the moderator had stopped you from posting at all about IUFS, or deleted your posting, etc., then you'd have a point. If so, then, yes, the word "unaccredited" should be removed from the name of this forum because postings about unaccredited entities would not be allowed at all. But that's not what's happening here, is it.

You posted easily assailable hogwash about a worse-than-worthless entity that's so bad that words like "school" or "college" or "university" or even "unaccredited" aren't even applicable. You did so with disingenuousness aforethought and with the not-so-thinly-veiled intention of trying to make it sound like it was trying to redeem itself... all the while pretending, in your quickly-becoming-inimitable way, to "usually talk only about accredited, legitimate schools." You keep saying that you don't have ulterior motives, but you're apparently not good enough at this to keep your motives from being recognized. As Rich wrote, "...asking naive questions when one is not so naive suggests other motives."

It isn't that you can't post about unaccredted schools here. You can. Just be prepared to be torn apart for it if it's an objectively bad school. You seem to be suggesting that if you can't post anything you want without challenge, then the forum isn't what it's advertised to be. On the contrary, it is, in part, because of the challenge that the forum is precisely what it's advertised to be.

And let's get something straight, here: IUFS isn't "unaccredited." It's NOT EVEN A SCHOOL! So "unaccredited" doesn't even apply.

Uh, huh. See above.

And if they post in support of such places, the fact that they'd better strap on a helmet and practice a little duck and cover doesn't mean this forum's "unaccredited" moniker is inappropriate. You're just irked that you couldn't make IUFS sound sound credible with impunity. Go over to Degreeboard or Degreeinformation DL if that's the kind of reaction you seek, 'cause you ain't gonna' get it here.

Honestly, Lerner, would it be too much to ask that you muster-up at least a minimal command of the English language? I'm not even sure what the heck you're saying, here.

I'm gonna' go out on a limb, here, and just flat-out call you a liar. Check your pants for inordinate warmth.

Stop it! Don't start showing signs of willingness to comply with your responsibilities under the implied social contract. I like not liking you! If you start doing the right thing it'll get me all confused.

I've seen this sort of reaction from immigrants to the US from other countries where freedom of speech either doesn't really exist and/or to which it is merely paid lip service. There is a difference between a government (or, in this case, the forum owners) trying to shut down one's speech. When that happens, it really is communist or fascist or some other form of totalitarianism. But in a truly democratic society which values liberty and free speech, the speaker needs to be prepared for other citizens just like himself to take issue with his words. That's how it works. No one considers it censorship because the person taking issue with the speaker's words has no more power to suppress them (because he's not part of the government) than the speaker himself. They are, from a civic perspective, equals. When one citizen shoots down the words of another citizen whose rights to speak are no different than his, that's not totalitarianism... that's America. Welcome!


On to your next post...

What part of everyone here's saying, in effect, "It ain't gonna' happen!" do you not understand?

And, hey.... wait a minute... did you not write, in your previous post, that you were gonna' think twice about continuing to make postings that may mislead the reader? Yet here you are... back at it. In one breath you make it sound like you get it; then in the very next you circle right back to your bad behavior. You're insufferable... and clearly hidden-agendaed. Stop denying it. It's insulting.

Aye yai yai. Back to the leg pissing and rain thing again.

Then go do it, for godsake, and stop stinkin' up the place with suggestions that IUFS may be on the way to redeeming itself. And don't forget to enroll in a good ESL course somewhat early on in your career there!

Using "book" and "IUFS" in the same sentence is a disservice to the book. IUFS is like coming home at the end of the day to a closed-up house and realizing that something you threw in the garbage can under the sink the night before went bad -- I mean really, reallly bad -- while you were at work. One can't get the windows open, and then the trash from under the sink sealed-up and into the outside garbage can fast enough. Even the cat's ticked-off at you for making her live in the house with the smell all day.

Let the reader make no mistake about that.

 

T.D. Lysenko True But Not In Way Comrade Intended Award

Is like detective book. Is fiction, cover to cover.

 

Every now and then degreeinfo blinks out and I go surfing through the internet. What I found this time was someone, posting under the name "Learner" saying some nasty things about George Gollin. I found it here:
http://www.talkabouteducation.com/group/alt.education.distance/messages/107458.html
but you could just surf through aed and read it that way.
Interpretations may vary. Mine is pretty basic.
Jack

 

What about American Institute of Computer Science?

They were a mill and today under changed name a DETC
accredited school.

As far as Greg I don’t see him going so viciously after other posters
that post on SRU, Madison etc.

Gregg what I posted about the other site shows noting good about IUFS so I did the readers a good service.

What part of this you don't understand?

Are you afraid that this will expose maybe something from your past?
maybe you have IUFS degree or involved running it and afraid that we will discover this.

Otherwise there is no logic to your attacks.

Learner

 

You are probably correct.
But what stops them from discontinue their association with ACU?
I agree that ACU was questionable even during Ray's ownership.

And can be wrong but in my opinion I'm welcoming the changes as long as they are not and I repeat Gregg not just cosmetics to web site in order to confuse and lie to people.

All the way I stated that I question the changes.
And after thinking about this I think it was not and I repeat not a mistake to post it here in this forum actually its the perfect forum to post this info in because then people visiting and reading this info can hear the experts opinions good or bad.

Gregg I knew you will try to intimidate but so far you are not getting under my skin.

There is nothing ofencive in my original post.

From a reader you all know:

Hi Learner.

Don't let Gregg get under your skin. He is a very bitter dude. There will always be negative people in the world.

How's HWU EBS going for you? I just finished an MBA there. I know it's no walk in the park!
Just keep being yourself and stick around.

XXXXX MBA, Ed.D,

 

Typical millist-shill defamatory junk. Typical agitprop. Shameful.
Just like the "private" correspondence quoted by way of another ad hominem attack. Equally shameful. And very sad, in a way.

 

Sorry, I have pushed the false button and posted a new thread.

The International University also is an affiliate of IUFS. Here are some certifying documents, but I don´t speak Russian.
http://www.tiu.org/iufs_news.htm

As you can see here: http://www.tiu.org/ “Licensed in Russia, Minister of Education, under IUFS Agreement“ there seems to be an only “recognition” by the “Minister” and not the “Ministry” of Education. Seems to be the same invalid shit like the “recognition” of the SRU connection in my eyes.

The “recognition” of IUFS must be invalid, that´s clear. I´ve told the Ministry of Education about the affiliation to IUFS when I have asked about the recognition of American Coastline University and their degrees. The Mail I have received is dated 28 th February 2005. The date of “re-accreditation” of IUFS was in August 2004. IF IUFS was really recognized by the Ministry of Education at this time, ACU would be allowed to offer University programs as an official branch of a recognized Institution of Higher Education then. But as we all know here, they aren´t, of course.

So there´s no need to check and discuss the status of recognition again.

@ IUFS-Lover:
I don´t know what you´re talking about now. Lerner, you can have your opinion. But it´s bullshit, if you don´t accept the reality!

 

You escaped from where certain aspects of human nature prevailed. There is no geography to human nature.

As an aside, I've thought it interesting that you specify Brighton Beach as your home. In NYC tradition, only (mostly) Queens residents have used neighborhood and not Borough for address.