is the European Global School is authentic or fake??

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  1. Urvashi

    Urvashi New Member

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    I hold a Masters Degree in Psychology. I am interested doing my PhD and need your genuine guidance on the following matter:
    While looking for courses, I found a Phd degree course on the European Global School website. (EGS online doctoral program in psychology.)
    European Global School - EGS and European Global University Paris

    I just wanted to know if the European Global School in Paris is authentic and accredited by any esteemed organization and would you recommend me to apply for their PhD program

    I would be highly obliged if you reply
     
  2. decimon

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    A little background:

    https://www.quora.com/Is-the-European-Global-University-and-European-Global-School-accredited-by-ASIC

    From the school:

    Recognition & Accreditations

    Ministry of Higher Education & Research, France

    European Global School is “est un établissement privé d’enseignement supérieur ouvert au titre du Code de l’Education – Decret du 25 janvier 1876 – Article L. 731-2, L. 731-3 et L. 731-4 sous le numéro E 13-09” recognized as a private establishment of higher education in France with an official status from the French Ministry of Education to award Bachelors, Masters and PhD degrees.
    Accreditation

    European Global School is fully accredited by ASIC (Accreditation Service for International Colleges).
    ASIC is an educational accreditation agency recognized by British Home Office and UK Border Agency. In addition it is a member or affiliate of the following organizations:
    1. National Academic Recognition Information Center (UK NARIC)
    2. European Association for Quality Assurance in Higher Education (ENQA)
    3. Council for Higher Education Accrediation CHEA International Quality Group.
    4. NAFSA
    5. British Quality Foundation (BQF)
    6. The British Council
    7. United Nations Academic Impact
    US State Authority

    EGU is registered in the state as a U.S. foreign university.
    Dominican Republic Authority to Confer Diplomas

    EGU is authorized by the Dominican Department of Education to confer academic and honorary degrees.
    EGS - EGU Applies for Extra Accreditation

    We are always striving for the best so we are currently in process of several accreditations. We will update the website once our status as accredited in these organizations is confirmed.

    Worldwide Accreditations
     
  3. Kizmet

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    Assuming that you're planning on becoming a practicing Psychologist, there is an additional question that you should be asking. That is, will this degree satisfy the requirements for licensure where I live?
     
  4. heirophant

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    tBased on its own accreditation page, I'm not convinced.

    Another flurry of French L-numbers (where did we last see them?) along with ASIC "accreditation" (which itself is a red flag in my opinion).

    The thing's webpages refer to it as 'European Global University - USA' and 'European Global School - Paris'.

    Despite the tip of its hat to the United States, it doesn't seem to have any recognized American accreditation. (Or any state authorization to operate as an educational institution that I can see. Just a business license in Delaware.)

    You should do a web search for its address in Wilmington DE and see what you find. Doing the web search for its address in Paris produces a very similar result.

    Searches for its name on .edu and .ac.uk domains suggest that American and British universities take no notice of it. (Which is interesting if it awards doctorates.)

    So all that's left in the end are the L-numbers. (At least it isn't talking about "VAE".)

    I'd say that anyone thinking of enrolling in this needs to fully understand the French higher education system, its recognition and its oversight. Then that person needs to verify all of that information concerning this particular school with the appropriate French authorities. (If you don't speak French, you are out of luck.)

    As for me, I know that I don't think it's particularly credible and at this point, I certainly wouldn't enroll in it.
     
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  5. SteveFoerster

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    Urvashi, what's your goal? What do you want to be able to do that you cannot do now but think you will be able to with a PhD? Knowing that will help determine whether this particular school is appropriate.
     
  6. decimon

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    Feeling a bit Johannish today...

    Urvashi (Sanskrit: उर्वशी, lit. she who can control heart of others.
     
  7. Johann

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    She who controls hearts? :shock:

    तव हृदयं रक्ष Protect your heart.
    मा कस्मिंश्चित् विश्वसिहि Trust nobody.

    And as far as EGS goes - the quora.com article erred in saying the school didn't show on ASIC's list. It does - in the International Section - not the UK section. Not saying anything about this school - good or bad. Nobody wants to hear it.

    J.
     
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    You can find a few other accredited universities in Europe that have been recently discussed if EGS is only one of your options. See about accredited options in Ukraine and Bosnia.
     
  9. mbwa shenzi

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    The European Global University is the brainchild of someone in Kuwait. The top-level domain is .education, which, as I understand it, is completely free and unregulated.

    That could be of interest to the International University of Monaco, I guess. And ASIC...well, last time I looked, there were two Axact clones in ASIC's international directory: Global Vision University and South American University. Also, ASIC has recently reaccredited the University of Atlanta, I believe.
     
  10. Johann

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    So am I, strangely.

    All I want to say is - it seems to be pretty easy, thanks to all those old laws, to open a perfectly "legal" degree-granting school in France, that does not have mainstream standing. We have schools ranging from the "famous" Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon, q.v. to Horizons University - also legal, also ASIC-accredited, which seems to be a decent effort, although it does not have the Ministry recognition of mainstream French universities. That was kindly confirmed by a knowledgeable French poster who contacted the Ministry directly . My experience is that the Ministry may not respond to email enquiries - even in French.

    I could always be wrong - and probably am. Who the * cares? I have no quarrel with the conclusions of the quora-dot-com report cited by decimon - but I feel it contains inaccuracies. First, EGS is on the ASIC list. The writer couldn't find it because he was looking at the UK page on ASIC site, not the International page.

    Second, he could not find EGS as a member of UK-NARIC or CHEA. That's because:

    (a) It isn't
    (b) It doesn't claim to be.

    It's ASIC that claims ties to CHEA and UK-NARIC - and it has both, as it states. I believe it is on committees with both bodies, and is listed as an overseas accrediting institution on CHEA's website. That does not mean ASIC is acknowledged as either an NA or RA accreditor for US schools, or that its accreditation will/will not be accepted by credential evaluators. Some ASIC-accredited schools like to point out ASIC's association with such bodies, to suggest additional cred. for their schools, as they're now ASIC-accredited. Nothing illegal in that, I guess - basking in reflected glory. They have paid for the privilege. Just as long as no one says it gives them degree-granting cred. at some level that they don't actually have.

    Best thing to remember about ASIC - its accreditation does not confer any degree-granting authority the school does not already have. They say this themselves in the brochure:

    "...it should be noted that ASIC accreditation neither confers nor validates degree-awarding powers. Applicants for distance education programmes should always satisfy themselves that the level of recognition of a relevant award is sufficient to meet their needs."

    I think this makes four schools in France accredited by ASIC. You may peruse their list at your pleasure. There are almost a dozen in the US on the same list. Anyone contemplating a Ph.D. should have research skills far beyond my level and be able to find a suitable school quite handily -WITHOUT ME. Might take as long as a week to get up to speed, from scratch. Perhaps a lot less.

    J.
     
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  11. Johann

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    Good to hear from a real expert! Case closed, I guess. And yes, I noticed both the Kuwait origin of EGS and the re-accreditation of U. of Atlanta. And I might add -as we both know, ASIC has accredited a few Axact-related bloopers in the past and has sometimes yanked those accreditations after the fact - e.g. Paramount California U. and "Orlando University" - of Pakistan or Cyberspace, not the Orlando U. that was once a DEAC applicant, offers grad degrees and actually has a location in Florida. Those site visits (where were they?) must have been fun! :smile:

    Nil sub sole novum.

    Great to hear from you, friend! I hope your new Basenji is doing well.

    J.
     
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    Urvashi is a mythical dancer of the heavens, and is supposed to be one of the most beautiful women in the universe.

    Urvashi means "Uru" (thighs, lap) + "vashi" (lives, born). As per mythology, she was born from the thigh of Lord Vishnu, hence the name

    The Urvashi of modern times could be the Lap-top!! :)
     
  13. Johann

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    If you like. I believe the laptop sprang from the brain of Adam Osborne, not the thigh of Lord Vishnu. Here's my excellent Indian source on that.

    Who invented the laptop and which company first produced it commercially? - Times of India

    Indeed. Now, if you want to use a laptop to see beautiful women, go ahead! I'm sure you can figure it out! :smile:

    J.
     
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    ASIC can legally accredit whatever they want to accredit. Jehovah Jireh Bible Institute of Higher Learning is a US school recently accredited by ASIC. The school is also accredited by GEAC, the Global Evangelical Accrediting Commission, run by Frank T Bozeman, and AAHEA, the American Association for Higher Education and Accreditation, where Stephen Barnhart and Christopher Campbell are, or where, directors. In addition to that, Jehovah Jireh is accredited by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions. I don't know much about AAATI, but I'm not very impressed by either GEAC or AAHEA. Apparently, it's not an issue to ASIC, though.
     
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    AAATI is an accreditation mill associated with Cecil Johnson, who also ran Christian Bible College in Rocky Mount, NC, a degree mill.

    Historically, AAATI has accredited only degree and diploma mills. (In the last edition of NIFI some 20 years ago, I listed about a dozen mills claiming accreditation by AAATI.)
    :drive:
     
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    Thank you. Like Johann said, good to hear from a real expert. So, Jehovah Jireh is accredited by two accreditation mills, one unrecognised organisation, and ASIC, as a premier institution. I wonder how ASIC came to that conclusion but I'll just assume the accreditation process was rigorous.
     
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  17. Johann

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    From the GEAC website:

    "Director of Education DR. STEPHEN R. BARNHART, GRANDVIEW MO., TIU
    Technical Christian Education, DR. ROBERT RAY HILL, Special subjects, Cincinnati, Ohio"


    GEAC and AAHEA - he gets around. And Rev. Dr. Hill, PhD, DBA, Academician, formerly(?) the U.S. VP of WIDU, IIRC. That's World Information Distributed University - a Belgian waffle --er, organization. Its website appears gone. Cincinnati? I thought Dr. Hill was known as the Sage of Erlanger, KY?

    J.
     
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  18. mbwa shenzi

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    Dr Robert Ray Hill was the US representative of the World Information Distributed University.

    Back to topic: the European Global University has a partner institution called Trent International Institute Australia. Trent is registered as a private company in Australia but has its office in Singapore. The institute has another partner called the Association of Managers and Administrators UK. In 2012, according to the Anchor, St Clements University e-Magazine endorsed St Clements Private Swiss University's Bachelor of Business Management Programme.

    Some of the information on Trent's website would be very familiar to the University of Liverpool.
     
  19. Johann

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    Oh, dear! I think something has gone wrong with the Trent International Institute website! Here is the course description for the EGS-taught Bachelor of Technology degree.

    • You how all this mistaken idea of denouncing.
    • Actual teachings of the great explorer of the truth.
    • Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself.
    • Right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure.
    • You how all this mistaken idea of denouncing.

    :question: :question: :question:

    J.
     
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    The lorem ipsum effect, I guess. The website isn't quite ready yet. You'll have to give them time, Trent has only been around since December 2016. A couple of years ago, the European Global University was incorporated in Florida. Judging from company records, it appears to have been a family business, with four out of five people sharing the same surname.
     

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