Is homosexuality a sin?

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Is homosexuality a sin?

  1. Yes, homosexuality is a sin.

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  2. No, homosexuality is not a sin.

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  3. Unknown or no formed opinion.

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  1. me again

    me again Active Member

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    Click here to read heirophant's non-religious commentary about how the secular MSM is presenting transgenderism as if it is a major social concern that is fully embraced by the American people.

    Based on heirophant's cogent secular comments, the below "floodgate question" is presented for Christians:

    Is homosexuality a sin?

    For those who want to get technical, the question is re-asked in a different way:

    Is practicing homosexuality a sin?
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Active Member

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    Are you sure you're in the right forum?

    Intellectually, to the best of my knowledge, practicing homosexuality is a sin. Personally, I'm not dwelling on this question as I do not have this particular orientation; so it has nothing to do with me. I was never wronged by anyone practicing homosexuality (btw that's not technically accurate either as "homosexuality" is a gender identity not something you "practice". How about greed? adultery, me again? False witness? Bragging? Covetousness?). Well heterosexuals, that's another matter.

    I'm not even going to dwell on how you mix up homosexuality and transgenderism, as many overly obsessed with other people's sex lives are. Can a behaviour, namely sex practices between consenting adults, be branded "sinful" by the government? Episcopalians and United Universalists do not consider it sinful; should we have a state giving preference to one religion over another? What should be legal or constitutional implications of declaring something sinful? Are you advocating the use of religious-based law in your country? That is a million times bigger threat to Constitution than under 100 troops requesting sex readjustment procedures.
     
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    Since I'm being referred to in this thread, I'll post my own opinion despite my not being a Christian.

    First of all, I don't use the concept of 'sin' in my own thinking. I'm interpreting 'sin' to mean some kind of offense against God, and as I don't believe in God, I don't acknowledge the existence of sin.

    I do have reasonably strong ethical scruples, but I don't think that there is anything ethically or morally wrong about homosexuality (or the practice of homosexuality) per se.

    But I will say that excessive sexual desire, whether homosexual or heterosexual, can lead to trouble.
     
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  5. Stanislav

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    Are you sure the question of sin belongs in "Politics" forum?


    It might well be. I feel that eg. Trump travel ban and anti-Mexican rants are attacks on all immigrants. Many do not feel this way; I think that's misguided.
     
  6. me again

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    Politics and religion make a very interesting and combustible combination.
     
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    I like my penis. Mrs. 03310151 likes it too from time to time, but I can guarantee you I'm not the least bit concerned with what other men are doing with their dicks.


    This is not the hill to die on.
     
  8. decimon

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    I don't see a Sin Forum.

    Trans might as well be all of LBGT? Then you weren't scoring heirophant on that?

    Now you say that a travel ban has to do with trans that might as well be all of LBGT. Anything else to throw in there?
     
  9. Stanislav

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    There's Off-Topic for those inclined to discuss stuff like that.

    Transgender ban might be an attack on all of LGBT. Honestly, this is not THAT cryptic.

    No, travel ban on some immigrants can be part of an attack on all, or affect all in a negative way. Just like attacking T in the LGBT can be an attack on all, or rightly perceived as such by those in the community who might be next. Clear yet?
     
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    Those may be attacks on all human beings. You never know.
     
  11. heirophant

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    Contemporary politics is little more than virtue-signalling.

    It's about people insisting that their own moral intuitions are better than those of their opponents. It's about morally condemning those who think differently. It's about people wagging their fingers in other people's faces, shouting "Sinner! Sinner! Sinner!, Evil! Evil! Evil!"

    Culturally speaking, we live in an increasingly unpleasant, hugely moralistic, neo-puritan age.

    So moralistic politics seems to me to be increasingly be invading a social-psychological space once occupied by a certain kind of moralistic religiosity. That's why the politics of the "social justice warriors" is so annoyingly prevalent these days.
     
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    Why are you asking? Is your waggle-finger itchy yet again?

    Sin is a religious term - a matter for religious authorities. If you're a believer - then govern your own behaviour as your local cleric tells you. Or not, as you choose. Just don't take any kind of judgment or retribution on anyone else.

    If you're asking if homosexuality / homosexual acts are "wrong" or "morally wrong" - well, I don't believe so, at all. That comes from 75 years of living and around 18 units of undergrad psychology in my 40s. Best I can do.

    Anyway, I thought Mike Pence said homosexuality can (and should?) be "cured." :laugh: VP Mike Pence pulls a Pinocchio about his record on gay ‘cures’ and HIV · PinkNews

    J.
     
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    Worse, this is a genocidal morality. History repeats.
     
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    I used to practice homosexuality. Then I got good at it.

    So now I just do it for fun.
    :drive:
     
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    Keep that fifth wheel greased.
     
  16. me again

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    Steve, it took you a long time to show up. What is your theological opine on the original question?
     
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    A long time to show up? I believe you just created this thread today. I'd hardly call several hours a long time. Be that as it may...

    My opinion is that the original question is inappropriate and irrelevant to a distance education forum, even when asked by someone who has a history of instigating controversy. Various gay and trans issues have been debated here in the past, and I find them as boring now as I did then. And as irrelevant to this venue.

    So, have I told you my “theological opine [sic]?” Nope. That was the idea.

    When I first went into trucking, I decided to never discuss with other drivers five issues: politics, race, religion, sex, and sports. I’m not interested in their opinions, and mine are none of their business.
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    I’m also reminded of a change in the life of Francis Schaffer, the distinguished presuppositional apologist, who was known as a superb debater. When he ceased to debate others and was asked why, he replied, “Because it’s not charitable.”

    Enjoy your instigation. But other than making a joke or two, pardon moi if I don’t take the discussion seriously. I’m well credentialed in the subject, so at this point in my life I don’t feel I have to prove anything by engaging in this, um, discourse.

    I leave you with the best defense of the gay position, eloquently stated by Joan Rivers: If it were not for homosexuals, there would be nobody to staff Bloomingdale’s.
    :drive:
     
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    Please participate in the riveting poll. Your poll response will remain anonymous (unless you choose to disclose it).
     
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    Riveting! That's kind of dramatic don't you think?
     
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    Ah good point. I stand corrected. This thread was a magnet for you. With all due respect, of course, sir. LOL :)
     

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