Integrity of 2020 elections.

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Lerner, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I know that you're being lead around by the nose by the lies of our President and his supporters so it makes it hard to catch your breath. If you want a taste of reality then just remember that there is no evidence that there was widespread voter fraud in the 2020 elections. For most people that don't see a conspiracy around every corner that is good evidence that there was not any widespread voter fraud.

    The way democracy normally works is that whoever gets the most votes win.
    Biden 51.3% 81,283,098 votes
    Trump 46.8% 74,222,958 votes

    Biden wins. Biden will be made President of the USA at 12:00 noon on January 20. At that point in time Trump will no longer be protected from indictment and arrest because of his position as President. Although I expect he will have secured a pardon for himself which is a self admission that he has in fact committed crimes. So any indictments or arrests will have to be brought by a state, most likely New York.
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I guess you meant Trump in the little piece above?

    If that was the case then it is important to note that those were the states that the vote recounts were conducted in. Those recounts found no significant issues. point over, game, set, and match. Biden wins, Trump loses. January 20 will be transfer of power whether Trump can face reality or not. It's over.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What is being argued is not if Biden won but how he won.
    Trump team is not giving up they are still trying to prove that there were irregularities.
    And it appears you don't care about the people who came forward to report under oat.
    Again no way all of them are lying.
    Now again we don't know if election was secure. Not after the hacking to DHS occurred.
    This is now a bigger problem of national security.
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  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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  5. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Lerner is suddenly posting quite a few videos from NTD Television. Since he is essentially a brainwashed numb-nut, one might wonder if he is even aware that NTD (which stands for New Tang Dynasty) is a front for the friendly cultists of Falun Gong, and that NTD is closely associated with the Epoch Times, which has been discussed here on DI in the past. As the Trump cultists are quickly acting to abandon Fox because they are beginning to acknowledge the Biden win, I think it's notable that they're now turning into NTD cultists.
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, when the time comes, I hope to see your report on it!
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    OANN, Newsmax and company are getting lots of Trump cultist viewers. These poor Trump cultists are being jerked around by the pathological liar. But them needing that is a huge part of the problem! Of course, OANN, Newsmax and company have their own selfish profit reasons for buying into the Looney Tunes conspiracy theories. Fox is in an interesting dilemma. They've been trying to straddle the reality gap with one foot in reality and the other on Looney Tunes island. They've managed to do it over the past four years but the gap is definitely getting more difficult for them to straddle.

    Mitch McConnel, I think, will be very comfortable in his role if the Republicans can win at least one of the Georgia seats. Although the Republican party looks totally broken to me. We are better off with a two party system but we need two parties based in reality not one of them dangling from reality by a thread. The Lincoln Project seems to be of a mind that the party is best burned down to the ground at this point. Eight years ago they thought they could pivot to being a more inclusive party. That didn't work out too well.
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Many convinced that the other so called left media extension of the democrat party omitting and under reporting news and spreading lies.
    Republicans say there was not a shred of evidence of anything being fraudulent in the 2016 election. Left media made all of it up, and people like Gloria Borger spread it, spread the lies reported by the New York Times and others at CNN.
    The additional sources of news are not gospel. The additional info is available for people to find the balance and get additional sides of the stories.

    As to election results It’s just easier for there to be no controversy in this stuff and it’s just easier to have a guy like Biden president.
    The Republican establishment is as much a part of the Washington establishment as the Democrat establishment is.
    74 million Trump supporters out there and many are angry!
    A few days back on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs:

    74 million Americans are not going to shut up over this. They not just gonna go away and pretend that everything’s hunky-dory.
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  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    Rand Paul said, “The fraud happened. This election, in many ways, was stolen.”
    Now, Krebs was recently fired by Trump for saying the 2020 election was “the most secure in U.S. history.” Rand Paul — and, by the way, top-of-the-hour news on many of your affiliates around the country reported on what Krebs said, but they did not report on what Rand Paul said in response.

    They’re simply reporting out there that Krebs said, “This was the most secure election in maybe American history,” and Rand Paul reacted and said (summarized), “The courts haven’t decided the facts. They never looked at the facts. The courts have not done their jobs here. The fraud happened, Mr. Krebs. The election, in many ways, was stolen — and the only way it’ll be fixed is by in the future reinforcing the laws.”
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Rand Paul is a strongly pro-Trump state, trying to avoid a primary challenge that he might well lose. There's nothing more to see there.
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    basis of posts strives to create points that readers can debate.
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Complaining about fraudulent 2016 election? What the heck are you talking about? If you are referring to Russia interfering in the election the NSA, CIA, FBI, Mueller report all found that to be factually true. The FBI knows the names of the culprits and indicted them! Only strange folks like you and Trump call that a fraudulent 2016 election accusation though. What it was was Russia interfering in our election to try to help Trump win. Calling the whole election fraudulent though is crazy nonsense from the right not the left.

    I really hope that you can somehow get off the crazy train that you're on right now. A good start might be to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh everyday. He is nothing more than a parrot for Trump lies.
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill I don't think you understood what I meant and changing what the point is.

    They always do that and Chinese, N. Korea, Iran, etc.
    Did they succeed in 2016? All agencies denied that they had affect on the elections outcome.
    President Trump didn't conspire with Russians to steal elections from Hillary.
    Yet the left for four years been telling that the last election was fake and that Donald Trump really wasn’t elected and that Russia intervened.
    Calling Trump Russian spy. And Republicans say left media made all of it up, and spread it, spread the lies reported by the New York Times and others at CNN and a like.
    They suppressed and still under reporting Hunters investigations.
    Republicans say left media just spread those lies, doing everything they could to try to convince average Americans that the election in 2016 was illegitimate, that Trump was illegitimate, that Trump stole it, colluded with the Russians, he’s traitor, he’s a spy, all of this stuff. Now we move forward to 2020, and the same people are telling us what a fair and open and fraud-free election we just had?
    Are you saying that as well?

    Many people say “CNN is the ‘hate Trump network.’ They just trash Trump every single hour of every single day.” Former CIA intelligence officer Buck Sexton, also a former CNN contributor, said, “CNN used to pretend it accepted right-wing voices for balance, but now it openly despises conservatives who are pro-Trump… Taking down Trump is obviously the agenda.”
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  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This is what I was talking about. This nonsense is coming from the right not from mainstream media or Democrats. I have never heard anyone say this kind of silly nonsense except for Trump and people parrotting Trump's nonsense. It is stupid lies about the mainstream media and the left and you believe every single one.

    Yes Russia did their best to interfere in the election and help Trump win. No they don't always do that and no all those other countries don't either. That is just more Trump lies that you believe without question. Trying to evaluate the impact Russia had on the election would be impossible. Personally I think Comey coming out with his announcement right before the election had a much bigger impact but that is just a guess on my part.
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Russia, China and other countries always weight which US presidential candidate will be better for their interests and which president they think will be bad for their interests.
    Trump didn't conspire with Russians. This what I'm not able to communicate to you.

    Small # of examples out if hundreds or thousands:
    MSNBC -Date: January 14, 2019 Guest: Greg Miller, Mike Quigley, Marcy Wheeler, Mimi Rocca, Elliot Williams, Clint Watts, Philippe Reines.
    PIRRO: Are you now or have you ever worked for Russia Mr. President?
    KRISTEN WELKER, NBC NEWS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Mr. President, yes or no. Have you or are you now -- have you ever worked for Russia. Yes or no.

    Another one:
    Was found to be false / Fake news.

    Anyway for the left media its big $$$$$ bucks.
    The worst-kept secret in the liberal media ecosystem is that Trump is great for the left media business. Rebranded for the resistance, liberal newspapers gobbled up thousands of new subscribers while local outlets die across America, unable to feast on the Trump manna. On television, left-leaning stations, at long last, competed with Fox in the ratings game, fueled by a never-ending Trump obsession.
    With Trump has come Russia: 4 years of conspiracy-mongering about whether the president, a failed real estate mogul and reality TV star consumed with dubious deal-making, conspired with the Russian government to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. Robert Mueller’s determination that no evidence exists to prove Trump and Russian colluded to fix the election has exposed, once again, the venality of A-list political punditry.
    MANBC reported An American missile attack on Syria, Maddow agreed, could have been orchestrated by Putin himself. During a cold snap, the Russian government could shut down our power supply.
    Putin could blackmail Trump into pulling troops from Russia’s border.
    MSNBC -
    Glenn Kirschner: ‘Vladimir Putin Owns President Donald Trump’ | The Last Word | MSNBC.
    All available on YouTube.

    I personally think its healthy for our security to verify anybodies ties to foreign governments.
    But its done by the right agencies discretely.

  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I have no clue what the irrelevant stuff in your last post had to do with trying to prove true your blatantly false statement that "Yet the left for four years been telling that the last election was fake and that Donald Trump really wasn’t elected and that Russia intervened."

    Regarding the other point you think is important, "Trump didn't conspire with Russians."

    What was found in the Mueller investigation is that Mueller could not find sufficient evidence to prove that Trump and Russia illegally conspired. That would be a crime. To prove this alleged crime it would have required something like Roger Stone to admit to it which he never did. Was there a crime? We don't know. Roger Stone might have cooperated with the prosecutors to stay out of jail but Trump pardoned him instead. That is all regarding the criminal conspiracy. Regarding proving that Trump conspired with the Russians, ABSOLUTELY, that was clearly proven. The Mueller Report says that a few hours after Trump gave his "Russia if you're listening" speech that Russia started trying to hack into the Clinton campaign for the first time. To conspire is not a crime though. The definition of conspire can simply be To try to bring about.Trump's little speech and then a few hours later the Russians trying to break into the Clinton campaign for the first time was clearly trying to bring about the wishes of Trump to get dirt on Hillary from the Russians and the Russians to try to bring that about.
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I thought perhaps part of the confusion might be this. There are three elements to your statement. The first two elements are not part of statements made by the left and the media. The last one is though. So the false assertion by Trump (parroted by you) is that the first two elements are made by the left and the media. So, here's your statement again, "Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected and 3. that Russia intervened."

    So Russia did intervene but the rest is falsely being put on the left as some of their assertions over the past four years. Which I haven't heard except as lies from Trump.
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    How conveniently you ignore the examples and denying facts. There are hundreds if not thousands examples on YouTube and web pages that support the statements about the left and left media constant attack and lies spread about President Trump.

    The majority of today’s pundits appear to be either in denial or ignorant of the evidence and long history of Russia and its predecessor, the U.S.S.R., having had far more substantial ties with the Democrats than with the Republicans. So in lane with a mind to assessing the plausibility of the Trump/Russian collusion conspiracy.

    "Obama and Clinton made concessions to the Russians, which resulted in ties far more substantial than those of any of Trump’s former advisors. In 2009, the first year of his administration, Obama’s preference for appeasing Russia over strengthening NATO was revealed for all to see in his unilateral cancellation of a hard-won pact (negotiated by the Bush administration over a number of years) to deploy a new generation of NATO defensive missile systems in the Czech Republic and Poland. The decision was announced (perhaps not coincidentally) on September 17, 2009 -- the exact 70th anniversary date of the Russian invasion of Poland.
    Then there was the infamous comment made by Obama at the end of his first term to the Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when he thought he was off-mic: “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” That comment was part of a larger conversation about nuclear weapons and, incredibly, Obama was referring to dismantling part of the U.S. nuclear arsenal in order to appease Russia.When the Russians annexed the Crimean peninsula and undertook subversive military action in eastern Ukraine, Obama found reasons not to arm anti-Russian factions in either area.When it came to Syria, there was the infamous “Red Line” that Obama refused to enforce. Instead, Obama proposed to partner with Putin in bombing the Syrian resistance. Also noteworthy is the fact that during the 2012 presidential election, the entire Democratic Party apparatus mocked Republican nominee Mitt Romney as a “cold war relic” for saying that the Russians still posed a threat to the USA.In the first year of his second term, Obama had no response when Russia violated the terms of the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty with the United States by building a new medium-range system, known as the Yars M Missile, which was banned under the treaty. More noteworthy during this time was Obama’s secret nuclear deal with Iran -- Russia’s most important ally in the Middle East -- which paved the way for Iran to develop nuclear weapons, not to mention Obama’s concession to sweeten that deal by turning over approximately $150 billion to Iran, even while acknowledging the potential for these resources to fund terrorist operations all over the Middle East.Then there was the controversial $400 million payment that Obama released and sent to Iran in January 2016, just as four American hostages were released, followed by several more planeloads of Euros, Swiss Francs, and other currencies totaling another $1.3 billion delivered to Tehran over the next month.Hillary Clinton’s favorable relationship with Russia was seen in the actions of both the Clinton Foundation and in her official capacity as Secretary of State. She, along with other Obama officials, signed off on an agreement that allowed Russia to purchase 20% of America’s uranium supply

    If Putin and Russia wanted to influence the 2016 presidential elections, they would obviously have favored helping the connected, progressive establishment candidate Hillary Clinton, not the brash and unpredictable businessman from New York with minimal dealings that advanced Russian interests."
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    If there are thousands of examples then show them!! It is your false assertion. How can you be so RIDICULOUS as to claim that it is MY job to prove YOUR NONSENSE!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!! I searched the Internet and didn't find any of these hundreds if not thousands of examples. (shakes head in disbelief)

    I do admit I heard Hannity spew the same nonsense at the end of his video that you posted but I would consider that more parrotting of Trump lies not the left saying it. Al though I'm reluctant to bad mouth him too bad here since he's so much better than the other nonsense you post here.

    Did you watch the press briefing at the Trump/Putin summit meeting in Helsinki? Putin admitted there that he wanted Trump to win.

    Here's more proof a Wikipedia article that is well sourced with 574 sources listed.

    The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election with the goals of harming the campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump, and increasing political and social discord in the United States. According to U.S. intelligence agencies, the operation was ordered directly by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Russian government interfered in,discord in the United States.
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