Integrity of 2020 elections.

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Again, I provided just a few samples that you comfortably ignore, these are sayings of Dem's and prove my points. I don't know were you searched but there are so many.
    I remember watching the meeting Trump and Putin and hearing what Putin said.
    I also remember that he said other things that contradict what he said on this one. He was surprised that Trump won.
    Russians wanted Hillary to win but after the Trump won they changed the story.
    Like the contestants on a TV show the Voice, when during auditions they have to choose a mentor and only one out of 4 turned.
    So initially they wanted a different mentor but once only one turned, in their short speech they say you are the one I wanted to work with :).
    Trump was a big unknown to them, but they calculated he may ease the sanctions, yet knowing history of GOP being much tougher on Russia they preferred Democrat president.
    They like to play all sides and have our democracy fail and increasing political and social discord in the United States. And the CCP is the same, they prefer Dem's and are extremely happy about the outcome of this 2020 elections.

    What do you expect, President Putin to say, hey President Trump, I wanted Hilary to win?
    They played both sides, and if Hillary won there is equal amount of their actions to show their goals were to harm Trump campaign. They are masters of manipulation.

    And GOP and the right are now saying the same thing that Biden is Chinese asset.

    First thing that came out on YouTube after searching.



    And this person is actually under scrutinized for being compromised by Chinese lady spy.



    FBI Briefs Pelosi And McCarthy On Rep. Swalwell's Ties To Suspected Chinese Spy.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/18/948210355/fbi-briefs-reps-pelosi-mccarthy-on-rep-swalwells-ties-to-suspected-chinese-spy
     
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  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    "Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected."

    Lerner you made this false statement and then falsely claimed you proved the statement as true. You claimed that there were hundreds if not thousands of good sources to prove this true. I'll make this easy for you then, show me just two examples where a left leaning print media or TV media stated that 2016 was a fake election and that Donald Trump wasn't elected. Contrary to your assertion above I do not believe this has really happened. Now maybe you mistated what what you meant to say and you didn't really mean to say that "Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected."
    This is a silly lie pushed by the pathological liar Donald Trump and his parrots like you and Hannity. I know you believe it to be true but that does not make it true. If there are hundreds if not thousands of these examples then show me just two. You can't do it because it is made up nonsense.
     
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  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Again you are doing pick and choose on portions of my responses.
    I posted more that what you selected for response.
    You ignored all the items pointing to Dem's, Left media calling Trump a Russian Spy.
    Why is that? In order to remove Trump form presidency.
    The reference to hundreds or thousands was about attacks on president Trump such as calling him a spy. Which you comfortably ignored.
    And I provided couple of links and examples.

    This lines came from here:

    Senator Josh Hawley, explained the “logic”:

    “These are reasonable people and who, by the way, have been involved in politics. They’ve won, they’ve lost. They’ve seen it all. These are normal folks living normal lives who firmly believe that they have been disenfranchised. And to listen to the mainstream press quite a few voices in this building tell them after four years of non-stop Russia hoax — it was a hoax. It was based on the whole Russia nonsense. It was based on, we now know, lies from a Russian spy!
    The Steele dossier was based on a Russian spy. After four years of that, being told that the last election was fake and that Donald Trump wasn’t really elected and that Russian intervened — after four years of that — now these same people are told ‘you just sit down and shut up if you have any concerns about election integrity. You’re a nutcase. You should shut up.’”

    So this is the interpretation of the actions by the Dem's and the left media.
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Where is the here? Then you put down silly words that have no here to them. Where is the link?

    You then allegedly have a quote from Senator Josh Hawley. He's a Republican Senator! What the hell is wrong with you? You found another person telling the same stupid lie does NOT prove the stupid lie true. Even if the quote was true it proves nothing.

    Again you said:
    "Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected."

    Lerner you made this false statement and then falsely claimed you proved the statement as true. By finding other people parroting the same lie. It doesn't work that way in reality only in your fantasyland.

    Your support of this stupid ridiculous lie is to quote Hannity, Senator Josh Hawley, and others telling the same stupid lie. That DOES NOT prove a lie as true just because others tell the same lie!!!

    You claimed that there were hundreds if not thousands of good sources to prove this true. I'll make this easy for you then, show me just two examples where a left leaning print media or TV media stated that 2016 was a fake election and that Donald Trump wasn't elected.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    I repeat the was about the attacks of the left on the resident Trump, and calling president a Russian spy. I provided sufficient examples.
    So obviously if the president is a Russian spy then that election was fake. Also when the left saying Trump conspired with Russians to to affect elections it means elections were stolen.
    Didn't they say that Russians hacked the elections and attacked election voting machines, spear attacked etc?
    I saw all the attacks day and night on the president Trump for 4 years.

    Here is what CNN provided on how Russians hacked Elections in 2016:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html

    The preacher said today in sermon:
     
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  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You are trying to change the story.

    Here is what it was about. You made the following false claim. "Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected."

    It was not about calling Trump a Russian spy. Even if he is a Russian spy that does not mean that the election was fake or that a Russian spy wasn't elected to be President of the United States. The Russians did attack the 2016 elections. I know you don't believe this because you do not accept reality that you don't like. Even if it were true or false, it does not mean that the last election was fake and does not mean that Trump really wasn't elected. Those are statement YOU and the right have lied was things that the left was saying. You are not living in reality. You are in a fantasyland where you believe whatever you want whether it is true or not.

    You claimed that there were hundreds if not thousands of good sources that proves that the left has been saying for years that the last election was fake and that Trump wasn't really elected. This is a false statement, a Trump lie that you Hannity, Senator Josh Hawley, and others are repeating. I'll make this easy for you, show me just two examples where a left leaning print media or TV media stated that 2016 was a fake election and that Donald Trump wasn't elected. You can't do it because that is actually a lie from the right about the left.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You take it literally but what is meant is summary of the actions .

    You can have the final word.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That is not a summary. That is a self serving lie designed to excuse Trump for his despicable actions regarding the 2020 election.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its indirect logical conclusion based on false Dems left accusations.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It is false accusations by the right putting words into the mouth of the left to demonize the left so that the right can feel justified in hating and demonizing the left.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It is false accusations by the left putting words into the mouth of the public to demonize President Trump so that the left can feel justified in hating and demonizing the President.
     
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  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Hi Lerner, it seems that you missed this response in the other thread. I suspect that you just don't read posts that are too long so I'll try to cut my response down for you.

    I haven't heard any reports on the left saying what you claim NOW or before. You are once again putting false statements into the mouths of the left.

    An article in the New Yorker explains what the left actually says.

    quote from New Yorker
    Few people, including Trump’s opponents, have publicly challenged the widespread belief that no obtainable evidence can prove that Russian interference changed any votes. Democrats, for the most part, have avoided attributing Hillary Clinton’s defeat directly to Russian machinations. They have more readily blamed James Comey, the former F.B.I. director, for reversing Clinton’s thin lead in the final days of the campaign by reopening a criminal investigation into her mishandling of classified e-mails. Many have also expressed frustration with Clinton’s weak performance as a candidate, and with her campaign’s tactical errors. Instead of investigating whether Russia tipped the electoral scales on its own, they’ve focussed on the possibility that Trump colluded with Russia, and that this, along with other crimes, might be exposed by the probe being conducted by the special counsel, Robert Mueller.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump


    So, that is as close as we're ever going to get to disproving a negative. the left did not say the stuff that you are saying. You are saying and believing false things about what the left is saying. Specifically your statement "Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected." is false. So, the way it works is that is your lying statement. I disproved it as best I can. You still think it is true then PROVE it. Show me 4 examples. That isn't asking too much since you falsely claim that "Yet the left for four years been telling that". You have not yet showed one! Stop telling the lie or prove that "Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected." is true by providing links of the left actually saying this over the past four years.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, actually I read all you posts fully and at times more then once.
    If I don't respond to some comments it may be due to not objecting to what is there.
    And we exchanged a lot of posts, I may misunderstand at times what your point is.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Several senators, led by Senator Ted Cruz, say they will reject the Electoral College results unless a commission is appointed to conduct a 10-day audit of the results. Congress is set to count the Electoral College votes on January 6.

    "We intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not 'regularly given' and 'lawfully certified' (the statutory requisite), unless and until that emergency 10-day audit is completed," the group said in a statement on Saturday.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    And they won't get it, because that's not how this works, and they know that. It's all theater, a ploy primarily to fundraise among the faithful and secondarily to weaken the Biden administration in advance by promoting the intimation that he didn't really win.
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Exactly, and the Trump cultist are swallowing it hook line and sinker.

    It would be interesting to know out of the 10 or 12 fund raising emails per day that Trump sends out if he can actually gage what ploy seems to work best. I suspect that he can. When it comes to money in his pocket, Trump is a genius.
     
  17. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    It's really quite brilliant in this way. Truth is, I do question the legitimacy of certain events surrounding the election that were clearly shady with video evidence that was presented in the last few weeks, but even if Trump flipped those states with the strange videographic evidence of potential bad actions, he'd still lose by...4 votes?
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member



    Also all the people who came forward, especially Lin Wood.
    Common sense. What would he gain by lying and ruining his career and putting his life and his family in danger?
    They all said Epstein was a conspiracy theory also.
     
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  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think , there was mostly issues with a huge volume of votes, the record # of people voted.
    So I don't think for example that voting machines deliberately switched votes, I do suspect and can be wrong that they couldn't handle the load and had malfunctions.
    But again I have no evidence so its speculation on my side.
    There are some reports that were published but again, if someone hired skillful actors they would full me easily.

    So while suspicious I do think that when AG Barr stated there was no fraud that could have affected elections outcome I will take his word.
    I think its good that evidence what ever is there will be aired for public to know.

    May we have a great 2021, healthy, peaceful and prosperous.
     

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