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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    “You'll get pie in the sky when you die”
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Bye and bye.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You'll get pie in the sky, now you die, bye-bye!
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The House just passed a new spending bill that includes NO TAX on tips, overtime, or Social Security benefits.
    1. Why did Democrats vote against it?
    2. Why do Democrats want to keep taxing your overtime pay?
    3. Why do Democrats want to keep taxing Social Security benefits?
    While politics may be divisive, shouldn't hardworking Americans be able to keep more of their wages?
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I can't find any article on this. I looked at CNN and Apple News. I did a google search and found out that you are lying. Why am I not surprised? You need to stop paying so much attention to social media or at least check on stuff before believing nonsense from unreliable sources, like I just did.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-house-democrats-did-not-vote-against-eliminating-tax-tips-overtime-2025-02-27/
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    "I Do Not Want What I Haven’t Got" -- album by Sinead O'Connor
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Admit, my mistake.

    The U.S. House of Representatives’ budget resolution is not law and does not include provisions on specific tax cuts, contrary to posts online that say Democrats voted against eliminating taxes on tips and overtime pay.

    I read that this sets the stage to extend the successful tax cuts, provide new tax relief to American workers, small businesses, and families, and deliver on enhanced border security, stronger national security, and more American-made energy.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Wrong again. It means cuts to Medicare (and possibly Social Security) in order to give big tax breaks to the top 1%.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-cannot-meet-budget-target-cutting-medicare-medicaid-budget-rcna195042
     
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  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-s-in-the-house-gop-s-budget-resolution-here-s-what-to-know/ar-AA1zQs2V

    CBS News

    "Washington — House Republicans narrowly adopted a budget proposal late Tuesday that serves as a blueprint for implementing President Trump's agenda, a dramatic turn of events after a group of holdouts threatened the razor-thin Republican majority's plan.

    In a 217-215 vote, the House adopted the resolution, with just one Republican joining all Democrats to oppose it. The resolution now goes to the Senate, which has been pursuing its own budget proposal.

    But the two chambers must adopt the same budget plan to move forward with the budget reconciliation process — a complicated maneuver that allows Congress to bypass the 60-vote threshold typically required in the Senate.

    Here's what to know about the budget resolution:"
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I know your strong tendency is to believe whatever you want despite the facts. Your desire to believe false information is EXTREMELY strong, if that is what you want to believe. The only way the Republicans can get to where they want to go as pointed to in the budget resolution is explained by the budget office in the link I posted. Before that analysis by the budget office even in a link YOU provided it says.

    quote:
    Opponents of the resolution have pointed to the proposed cuts, arguing that they implicate key programs that Americans rely on. Medicaid in particular has come under the microscope — the Energy and Commerce Committee oversees Medicaid, and the $880 billion it is tasked with saving would almost certainly require cuts to the entitlement program.

    House Republican leadership has stressed that Medicaid isn't specifically mentioned in the budget resolution, noting that Tuesday's vote was one simply to begin the reconciliation process. But House Speaker Mike wouldn't commit to preserving Medicaid in its entirety as the reconciliation process continues. Johnson said cuts to the program would target "fraud, waste and abuse" within the program. Other Republicans have said that benefits would not be cut.

    Under an amendment to the House budget resolution aimed at placating conservatives, House committees must achieve at least $2 trillion in spending cuts in order to secure the proposed $4.5 trillion in tax cuts. But if they slash more than $2 trillion, tax cuts would be increased.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It's CBS article,
    I derived the info from it.

    You are trying to explain what?
    That article is wrong?
    Or explaining the opponents, why they voted the way the did?
    OK.
    But I will not reserve to attacking you.
    In earlier post you started you couldn't find any article.
    Here I provided one.
     
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2025
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member


    I said there was no article about
    The articles you provided links to do not say those things that you said.
     
  15. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Why doesnt the republican proposal have any of those popular provisions? Shouldn't hardworking Americans be able to keep more of their wages?
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I read that its coming next, this will pave the way to NO TAX on tips, overtime, or Social Security benefits.
     
  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Why next and not in this one? Dont republicans care about the working class? Trump said he would do no tax on these things when he took office and still hasnt, why?
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You read it and you believed it. Yet your sources didn't tell you that the budget resolution calls for approximately 850B in cuts from a committee that oversees Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP and less than $350B in other expenses. Go to a link provided by Bill, get the official CBO report; ask for tech support if needed and a native speaker to read it to you. Democrats are not voting for this G.d-awful document because what it paves way for is cutting vital safety net programs.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Fact check:
    The budget resolution does not ever state there will be an $880 billion cut to Medicaid.
    False. Despite Kogan's assertion that House Republicans are looking to cut $880 billion from Medicaid, the budget resolution does not ever specifically outline cuts to Medicaid in that amount.

    Instead, it proposes the cut target for the Energy and Commerce Committee to oversee across their many programs. While Medicaid takes up a bulk of that spending, the cuts could also be spread across energy and climate programs, the Federal Communications Commission, food and drug safety and more.

    The House GOP's budget resolution needs a majority vote to make it out of the Budget Committee before moving to the full House, where Republicans have a historically small majority of 218 to 215.

    House Republicans are enabling the Energy and Commerce Committee to decide what exact programs and areas would be cut under the budget. While the Energy and Commerce Committee oversees Medicaid funding, it also is in charge of energy and climate programs, the Federal Communications Commission, food and drug safety and several more programs.

    Does the February 2025 House budget resolution specify an $880 billion unilateral cut in Medicaid funding? No, that's not true: On February 25, 2025, the House passed its proposed budget, a resolution that directs the House Energy and Commerce Committee to make $880 billion in budget cuts to many programs under the committee's jurisdiction, one of which is Medicaid.

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    I think Medicaid can get impacted, which will fall on the states budgets, it can create hardships. It is unclear how much funding would be cut from Medicaid, though the program would very likely be impacted.
     
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2025 at 2:21 PM
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Fantasy speak, there's no way they can cut almost a trillion dollars from the budget as specified without big huge cuts to Medicaid. That's what the budget office has said. That is what the math says.
     
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