If You Had to Recommend an Unaccredited Seminary with Distance Learning

Discussion in 'Seminary, theology, and religion-related degrees' started by Garp, Jun 23, 2023.

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  1. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Well-Known Member

    What I said was that because the term was modified by the cardinal numeral on the first day and (along with the balance of creation days) is modified by "evening" and "morning" the account refers to conventional days. That seems to be pretty good reason (and I could mention more) to take the term literally. No force is required and, thus, the broad band of historical exegesis has agreed. Especially given the authoritative conventional interpretation elsewhere in the canon.

    No force required.

    Precisely where, anywhere is either the Hebrew canon or in the literature of contemporaneous cognates (Ugarit; Akkadian) does "day," when modified by "evening" and "morning" mean anything other than a conventional day? It doesn't.

    If you had spoken to Adam ten minutes after his creation, would you not assume he was maybe 18-25 years old? If you examined trees in the garden five minutes after their creation, would they not look mature? So much for "deceit." The claim that YEC involves deceit requires one to assume OEC from the outset--an informal fallacy known as question-begging.

    Who claimed otherwise?

    From "man's perspective?" And there, you have divulged your low bibliology. The creation account is inerrant revelation written by man and inspired by God. To assert that it merely reflects man's perspective is to ignore divine revelation.
     
  2. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Active Member

    You have all the answers so discussion isn't necessary. I guess God was intentionally deceptive in presenting an aged creation. No worries.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Arguing over B.S. is about as sane as researching it.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed. And BS is what these suppositions are - about a man being grown at his creation and trees popping out of the ground in their mature state. We KNOW scientifically how humans (and pretty well all other creatures) are conceived, born (or hatched, depending on species) and grow - and how trees evolve from seed - and where that seed came from. And what sort of plants were the prototypes for our present concept of trees. And what sort of beings were the prototypes for today's humanity.

    We know about "Lucy" - the oldest known hminid skeleton. She is 3.2 million years old. Lucy was about 35 years of age when she died and from examination of her pelvic bones, experts determined she had borne at least one child.

    Google: Lucy's skeleton. Lucy, a 3.2 million-year old fossil skeleton of a human ancestor, was discovered in 1974 in Hadar, Ethiopia. The fossil locality at Hadar where the pieces of Lucy's skeleton were discovered is known to scientists as Afar Locality 288 (A.L. 288).

    Why are presumed adults here, with University educations doling out nonsense? There should be a penalty. At least 6,000 years' worth,

    Sanctimonious index fingers are doing all the heavy waggling, here. Science has gone out the window. Fashion guy here says this is NOT a good look, on some of you.
     
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  5. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Active Member

    I wasn't arguing. I was trying to have a discussion that was approached with some humility as I stated at the onset. Lack of humility equals a rigid position that's deaf to alternative interpretation possibilities, so I exited. I feel that way about most things these days. I'll discuss anything but argue very little.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Although you're responding to my post, please note that I was not responding to any particular person. I was simply expressing a point of view.
     
  7. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Active Member

    Absolutely understood, and I respect it.
     
  8. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    I would never recommend an unaccredited school of religion to anyone.
     
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  9. SG Rindahl

    SG Rindahl New Member

    Strictly in the spirit of the original question, two schools come to mind.

    The first, if one is of any of the various Anglican expressions of Christianity other than the official Episcopal Church, USA, is Cranmer Theological House in Houston.
    CTH offers in-person (typically short seminar) and distance education options and degrees that reflect typical US programs following MA, MTS, and MDiv, and ThM degree plans (as well as a certificate program). CTH has been operating under the authority of the Reformed Episcopal Church for many decades, and are steadily improving their course delivery modalities.
    The academic requirements are not overly stringent but neither are they token. In obtaining a Master of Theology from CTH, I would rank them as splitting the difference between my educational experience with the Master of Divinity at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Ft Worth (Cumulative GPA 3.72) and the Master of Theology Spurgeon's College in London (dissertation was given a ranking of Passing with Distinction).

    The second option I would recommend (for full transparency, I am on faculty at JHPCU) is Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi Christian University. JHPCU degrees are largely (although not entirely) based on the British / European degree by research model. The degree plan includes some required coursework, which is primarily for the sake of preparing the student for the undertaking the writing of a serious research product. JHPCU faculty hold degrees from accredited universities (primarily in the UK) in their teaching fields. The degree programs are best suited for those who already have a theological background/supporting degree and learn well from researching and writing.
    There are, for those who might need a form of accreditation, cross-enrollment agreements with overseas schools with WHED listings to receive degrees from them at the completion of the JHPCU degree program.
    More important for most people who are seeking a theological degree, the administration has a list of denominations that accept JHPCU degrees as fulfilling their ministerial education requirements.
    For information on cross-enrollment and what churches accept JHPCU degrees, the applicant can request the information from the administration. The website provides the contact details and invites inquiries.
    JHPCU tuition is 100 dollars (US) per credit hour.
     
  10. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    This page (https://www.pestalozzi.university/degree-awarding-status.html) contains the following information: "As part of recognition of the academic standing of our courses, JHPCU has entered into a validation agreement with City University, Cambodia. Under the terms of the agreement City University accepts credits and degrees from JHPCU for the purposes of further study or the award of a reciprocal degree. An additional fee is payable for the reciprocal degree. All Bachelors, Masters and Doctoral degrees are eligible for for dual degrees awards as well as Postgraduate Diploma awards and higher doctorates/postdoctoral research programmes."

    Is this the school that you had in mind?
     
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  11. SG Rindahl

    SG Rindahl New Member

    It is one, I believe (might be mistaken) that there is one or more others. Other than looking it up I have not involved myself with those admin details. I faculty mentor research students.
     
  12. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    I would like to see evidence that this school is currently accredited in Cambodia (not accredited in the past). I would also like to see the actual WHED listing under Cambodia. I am taking about the real WHED directory, not the fake one that shows up on some websites. But I do understand that you have a different role at the school as a faculty mentor.
     
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  13. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    I would not under any circumstance recommend an unaccredited seminary.
     

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