If Wyoming gets tough, where will Kennedy-Western go? A poll (with a prize)

As if this board could influence K-WU. As if K-WU wasn't perfectly capable of ideating these and possibilities and many more. As if.

 

I realize this is a hopelessly naive thing to say (or write), but after everything I've read regarding K-W (particularly on this fine board), it is only with difficulty that I can understand how such an "institution" manages to not only to continue to operate as a going concern, but to buy advertising in any publication which retains any self-respect.

Matt

 

Operates: Because to the unknowing, it looks like students are getting valid degrees.

Advertises: Because most publications don't stop this kind of thing.

 

Most companies do little if ANY screening of advertisers. Google is among the worst. It does however sound like K-W's day is coming. It would also being interesting to find out the Federal Government is going after other frauds once it finishes with SRU.

 

Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware.

 

This board is probebly one of the most dengerous boards there are for diploma mills and not so wonderful schools.
KW-U representatives most likely visit here and read what ever
is stated about their business.

an opinion

Learner

 

That was my first thought too, Rich. There is no one on this board with whom I am more in sync than you.

 

DesElms:
By the way, if Dr. Bear would like Utah added to the poll, all he'd need to do is ask a moderator to do so... and supply, in said request, the appropriate catchy phrase to go along with it, of course.

Bear:
Yes, please, Gregg. I'll be intrigued to see if a Super Moderator can modify the poll rules to include an eleventh option, such as:
Utah As Hawthorne U shows, another potentially easy state.

DesElms:
Idaho seems like a reasonable choice, too...

Bear:
Been there. Done that. K-WU did move their umcampus to Idaho some years ago, and, as I heard it, was invited to leave the state.

 

Seborga?
Jack

 

I predict that KWU will apply successfully to DETC and by so doing become utterly respectable worldwide just like the other entities that have recently applied successfully to DETC.

I will then send Paul Saltman a signed, complimentary copy of Birds of Wyoming. Or Birds of California. Or... well, wherever.

It is hard to predict what KWU will do. They seem rather detached, except from their attorneys, who recently complained to no avail about my recent piece in the Chronicle of Higher Education in which KWU and Breyer Which State Now University were mentioned.

For example, we just sent a cease-and-desist letter to a Kennedy-Western user in Oregon, a fairly prominent person who uses a KWU doctorate in her health care-related business. She was not using the required disclaimer that KWU's own lawyers agreed to almost a year ago and which is now in Oregon statute at their request.

This suggests that they did not notify their known Oregon resident degree-users of the new law, instead leaving them hanging in the wind to fend for themselves. Either that or they simply don't know where their users are, which may well be true. No alumni magazine?

 

I thought that DETC was trying to become more respectable?

 

I vote for Nevada.

Maybe they can use a loophole where they will become Kennedy-Western University and Casino.

 

Dr. Contreras: Thanks for your post. Here is a serious question for you, though: Do you honestly believe that KW"U" will apply to DETC for (NA) accreditation - whereby DETC will most assuredly force them ("KW"U") to abandon all or almost all of their PhD programs? I think not.

Those unaccredited and quite-easy-to-obtain "doctoral" degrees are a cash-cow for KW - and KW is too much addicted to easy cash to let that go voluntarily .........

Quite true, but it is also not hard to predict what KW will not do. KW"U" will not voluntarily give up its easy, cash-amassing and cash-sucking machinery. A history of over-20 years of milking the unaccredited KW PhD-cash-cow will not be easy to abandon.

If she did not do so, rest assured that KW will probably not inform or alert her to do so.

Side note, though an important one:
To KW"U" graduates - i.e. victims and co-conspirators alike - enrollees, apologists, shills, etc. who are residents of the good state of Oregon: here is the required disclaimer. Make a note of it. You will need it (and Oregon statute now requires you to cite it):

“(Name of school) does not have accreditation recognized by the United States Department of Education and has not been approved by the Office of Degree Authorization.”.
(b) The disclaimer shall be made in any resume, letterhead, business card, announcement or advertisement in which the person is claiming or representing to have an academic degree
from a school that does not meet the requirements of subsection (1) of this section."

This is a fact. Buyer beware! It is almost standard operating procedure for KW - not to notify their own "students" in any US state about limitations of the KW"U" degrees.

KW does not even inform its graduates and enrollees who reside in the great state of Wyoming, the state which licensed it, that the unaccredited, not-professionally-recognized, KW engineering degrees it issues are not useable due to prevailing (Wyoming) state laws.

Each year, KW doles out hundreds, maybe thousands, of engineering degrees such as Electrical, Mechanical, General, Environmental, Safety Engineering - and nowhere on its current website or in its catalogs and telemarketing and spamming literature on does KW alert its engineering "graduates" of the severe restrictions and limitations placed on on use of such degrees.

....... So, after Wyoming clamps down hard (soon) on its many unaccredited, un-wonderful, and millish schools, where will KW go?)

LOL! So true! One could also argue that KW"U" is already a casino. "Earn a KW"U" degree and throw the dice to know when (sooner vs. later) the unaccredited, substandard and un-wonderful KW degree goes "tick, tick, tick ... and "boom!"



Thanks.

 

DETC has formally asked the feds for authority to accredit at the doctoral level. I am not sure where that process is at this point.

 

This may not be a fair question, but...does DETC need permission "do doctoral" or does it need acceptance for funding, etc?

 

They've asked the US Department of Eduction to expand their scope beyond its current state (associate's, bachelor's, master's, and first professional degrees). But to do so they must demonstrate their ability to accredit doctoral programs. Therefore, they've undertaken a pilot program with a few of their more experienced schools.

I want to know what CHEA thinks about all of this.

 

Interestingly enough, I was reading the NCU learner area a while back. I am quite certain that there was a PhD student at NCU who was President of either Hamilton or K-W. Quite certain. Another long time member on the forum can back me up on this as we discussed it then he saw it himself. I can't verify this now because NCU recently revamped their learner area and took the link to other students off.

 

Are you prediciting this mainly because of CalCoast, CSU, and AndyJack having successful applications? Or, did KWU say they were going to apply for DETC?

Bing

 

Perhaps they have an online alumni newsletter like Century University. Check out the $20 CU coffee mugs. Gotta get one!

http://www.centuryuniversity.edu/CenturionSummer04.pdf

 

bing: I am quite certain that there was a PhD student at NCU who was President of either Hamilton or K-W.

John:
Wouldn't that be interesting. There are a fair number of people involved with terrible schools that have real doctorates: the head of World Association of Universities and Colleges (PhD, Walden), of Adam Smith (Ph.D., Harvard), Vancouver University Worldwide (Ph.D., Columbia), Somerset University (Walden), etc.

The president of Kennedy-Western, according to an early catalog, has his Ph.D. from Indiana Northern University, which was run by "Bishop" Gordon DaCosta from his dairy farm in Gas City, Indiana. The president of Hamilton, according to 60 Minutes, is a pillar of the gay community in Key West, and had a self-awarded doctorate.