Idaho abortion travel ban

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Interesting issue. Idaho is probably about the hardest Right state in the union. The Legislature basically outlawed all abortion with a very few narrow exceptions. They also penalized healthcare workers for advising or assisting Idaho citizens to travel put of state for an abortion and criminalized doing so for a minor girl without parental consent. The Legislature terms this "trafficking".

    A federal judge has enjoined the state from penalizing health care workers under the right to free speech. It will be interesting to see what the courts make of the rest of the law. Idaho is crazy, has been for a very long time, but I think the minor ban might survive. It appears to be carefully crafted.
     
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  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The Republican party used to stand for personal freedoms and small government. It now stands for big government invading personal freedoms.

    These threats by Republicans to obtain and monitor personal medical records is alarming. I hope those type activities are found to be unconstitutional.
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    They might go on regardless. One-track minds, all over. Look at Abbott and the Rio Grande.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    One Body Found In Rio Grande Floating Barriers, Another Recovered From River As DOJ Sues Texas Over The Buoys
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/08/03/one-body-found-in-rio-grande-floating-barriers-another-recovered-from-river-as-doj-sues-texas-over-the-buoys/?sh=724607d7aa06

    On a scale from 1 to 10, how much do we think Abbot cares about the lives of two migrants? Maybe a 2?
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right. And how much do we think a whole bunch of people in the "hardest Right state in the union" as @nosborne48 put it, care about the lives of anyone who opposes them, in ANY way.
     
  6. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing he was hoping they'd float downstream and disappear forever. If you can't see the dead, did they even die?
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Texas and Idaho - same disease. I don't think the Texas or Idaho Legislatures care spit about any of the State's people, if they disobey the "High Command." Is there a Legislature uniform in the making? High, shiny boots? Peaked cap? Any monocles?
     
  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I think on the whole Idaho is harder Right than Texas because Texas has large cities that tend left of center. Idaho doesn't. There are no centers of resistance as it were. There ARE moderate Idahoans but there's no geographic concentration. Idaho also flies under the radar. No one notices them most of the time. That's why the Aryan Nation settled there.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Definitely true, the five most Republican states are

    1. Wyoming with a 25 Republican advantage
    2. West Virginia with a 22 Republican advantage
    3. North Dakota with a 20 Republican advantage
    4. Oklahoma with a 20 Republican advantage
    5. Idaho with a 18 Republican advantage
    ...
    22. Texas is way down the on list at 22 with a Republican advantage of only 5

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-republican-states
     
  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oklahoma is the only state on that list with a large metro area, two of them in fact, Oklahoma City and Tulsa. Interesting.
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, nearly 40% of Idahoans live in the Boise metropolitan area, so it's not quite like Wyoming there, but I'm not sure that people in Boise lean to the left the way those in many cities do.
     
  12. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Idaho has the second-largest number of Latter-day Saints proportionally after Utah; about one in five Idahoans are Mormon.

    Mormon culture is conservative but (a) there are Mormon moderates and liberals, (b) where there are Mormons we can expect ex-Mormons and they can be wild cards (as in Kyrsten Sinema), and (c) even in Mormon conservatism, a notable part is out of step with Trumpism (as in Mitt Romney and Evan McMullin).
     
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  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised at how many people live in the Boise metro area now. For as long as I can remember, Spokane WA was the largest metropolitan area between the Cascades and the Twin Cities and north of Salt Lake City. I'm not sure that's true anymore.
     
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Nope. It's not. Boise is bigger. How about that!
     
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful country, by the way. Along the Snake River plain. Cold winters, though.
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Boise's not on the way between Seattle and Minneapolis, though (I-90), so on that route Spokane is still the winner. I've done that drive. It's... long.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Things get a little dull along about Eastern Montana?
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think Montanans like it that way ... peaceful. Attracts weekend border-hoppers from Alberta, too, so I've heard.
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Long since, by then. Seven hours of North Dakota is about six too many. (But at least they have Wall Drug!)
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    For example, when I was doing that sort of trip it was before mobile phones were small enough to fit in your pocket, so entertainment along the drive consisted of seeing what radio stations were out there. First the rock stations would fade out, then the country stations would disappear, and finally even the Christian stations were too far away to pick up and if you hit SEEK on your radio it would just cycle endlessly through the band over and over...

    ...until two hours later when all of a sudden the radio started shouting, "AND JESUS IS HIS NAME!!!"
     
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