I hate ChatGPT

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  1. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!

    I just made an attempt to solve a tutor-marked assignment, fumbled together something that was in the category "so ok, it's average" and out of curiosity, I asked ChatGPT to solve the question. Damn. My solution suddenly appears incredibly lame.

    At the same time, it is tempting to use the ChatGPT solution!

    I... must... resist...

    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
    Mac Juli, Jun 9, 2023
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It shouldn't be that hard to quit something that makes you look incredibly lame... should it? :)

    Seriously -- good decision. Don't feed the monster. It's a bad one - bites the hand (or elsewhere) of the one who feeds it.
     
    Johann, Jun 9, 2023
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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't think you do have to resist.

    ChatGPT is not, itself, a reliable source. Also, it doesn't provide references for its creations. Thus, you don't have to resist it because you can't rely on it.

    What I use it for is to see if I'm missing anything. I'll run a natural language question by it to see if it brings forth some thing(s) I might have otherwise missed. But I still need to do original research on that stuff; ChatGPT is a reminder, not a substitute.
     
    Rich Douglas, Jun 9, 2023
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  4. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    If you harass ChatGPT for references, it'll give you fake ones.

    Recently, a professor did an experiment with his class. He had his students verify ChatGPT's answers. If I remember correctly, half of the information was wrong. LOL
     
    sanantone, Jun 9, 2023
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Dean: "OK then - that's a GPA of 2.0. Do we give this fella, this Mr. GPT, a "Gentleman's C" or not? Are his parents donors?"

    Seriously, that makes ChatGPT a pretty poor student. "George Dubya" did better at Yale - he finished with a 2.35 GPA.
    GWB was not accepted to Law school, but was accepted to Harvard, where he earned an MBA. He later became the first U.S. President to hold an MBA.

    Story here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_George_W._Bush

    Come to think of it -- didn't ChatGPT pass a Bar exam a while back?
     
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  6. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Yes, I've used ChatGPT for things like generating agendas and clarifying definitions but only after I've done my own original writing. This helps me check if I missed an agenda item or something like that. I can see the temptation to replace your own original writing with it, but it strikes me as too close to plagiarism to do that in an academic setting (or even in a professional setting, like for the book I've written.)
     
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    Dustin, Jun 9, 2023
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  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I have one of those. I can't remember if MBA stood for "Master Bull Artist" or "Master of Blind Ambition." Oh, well, I guess it doesn't matter now.

    (PhD: Pizza, Home Delivery)
     
    Rich Douglas, Jun 10, 2023
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  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The previous version failed the bar, but ChatGPT-4 scored in the 90th percentile. It got 75% of the questions correct.

    https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/latest-version-of-chatgpt-aces-the-bar-exam-with-score-in-90th-percentile
     
    sanantone, Jun 10, 2023
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Neither could GWB, I'm pretty sure. :)
     
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  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It (ChatGPT) is still pretty low on Bloom's Taxonomy. I'd say off-hand that is is still at Knowledge. I can't speak for ChatGPT-4, but I doubt seriously it has moved beyond that.

    To me, this stuff is still a natural language version of Google, without the original citations.
     
    Rich Douglas, Jun 10, 2023
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  11. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    It's interesting as it does absolutely have insane potential - but it's a tool and the user has to know how to use the tool properly. It makes up references, quotes, etc. so it is up to the user to verify information. For testing, I have used it to grade a paper I wrote with specific parameters (You are a tenured professor at X university with in depth knowledge in FIELD. Provide and analysis and feedback on the following: <insert data>) and it has proven a useful tool.

    Now, case-in-point for not knowing how to use a tool but relying on it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jun/23/two-us-lawyers-fined-submitting-fake-court-citations-chatgpt
     
    BlueMason, Jun 27, 2023
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  12. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I finally got around to trying ChatGPT myself last week. I'm astounded by what it can do and amused by what it can't.

    For funsies, I had it write a mock newspaper article after feeding it the 5W1H. The result was competent but unsatisfying. By the time I coached it enough to get a result I'd be proud to put my name on, I could have written the article myself.

    One thing I didn't expect was how good it was at poetry analysis. I uploaded some of my original lyrics and it gave me almost exactly what was going through my mind as I was writing them. It's prone to missing symbolism that is very subtle, but you can then tell GPT what it missed and it can reinterpret the entire poem in less than a second with the new information in mind.

    It's an incredible learning tool. You can have it quiz you, give you mnemonic devices, point you to resources where you can read more about subjects, have it test your vocabulary or give you a high-level word for the day, have it score the accuracy of your translations, compare your work to a grading rubric, etc.

    It can also be incredibly dumb. Getting it to play games with you (I've tried chess, connect 4, boggle, blackjack, a political debate and improv comedy) is hit and miss, mostly miss. It has a lot of trouble following rules logic. It can make a fun text adventure game, however.

    Sometimes it's flat out wrong about things. You can correct it, it will acknowledge its error, but it will continue to be wrong. It will insist that it has adjusted to the new information, but it will continue to be wrong. Funniest part is when you try to clarify that it should not do something (eg, NOT give you the answer to a question that you want to be quizzed on) it will apologize over and over and over and over again, but will keep making the same mistake. It will even acknowledge that it keeps on making the same mistake and insist that it won't anymore, but then continue to make the same mistake. For some reason, once it decides that it's going to write something that rhymes, you can't get it to take the rhymes away. It just either leaves it as such, or replaces the rhymes with different rhymes. It pretty stubbornly prefers to see rhyming in poetry and will often throw it in there when you explicitly tell it not to.

    I'm not sure how to conclude this post, so here's some ChatGPT funsies. It's the Cat in the Hat, as it would have been written by Edgar Allen Poe.

    ----

    Amidst this somber, dim-lit scene, two children, innocent and keen,
    Stood witness to a feline figure, draped in shadows deep.
    A creature bound to secrets, their mysteries it would keep.
    The boy, with tousled hair and curious gaze,
    Fixed his eyes upon this enigma, a hat upon its head.
    A gateway to realms where dreams and wonders spread.
    The girl, more cautious, observed the feline's every move,
    Her mind buzzing with questions, eager to comprehend.
    A conduit to adventures that would never truly end?
    The Cat, with a mischievous gleam in its gaze,
    Brushed against their legs, a whisper in the night.
    It beckoned them to realms where the ordinary took flight.
    Within the depths of that mysterious hat,
    Lay a portal to realms beyond the mundane,
    The children hesitated, their hearts aflutter,
    But curiosity surged, igniting their youthful flame.
    Hand in hand, they stepped through the threshold,
    Into a kaleidoscope of wonder and surprise.
    As they saw through new lenses, with awe in their eyes.
    The Cat, their guide, led them on a whimsical dance,
    Through lands of imagination, where dreams took form.
    With each step they took, the children discovered,
    That magic lies in stories, and curiosity can transform.
    No longer bound by the limitations of their reality,
    They embraced the fantastical, their spirits set free.
    In the presence of the mysterious feline and its hat,
    They found a gateway to a world they'd forever see.
    And when their journey neared its end,
    The Cat, with a knowing smile, bid them adieu.
    But the children carried with them the wonders they had found,
    A testament to the magic that curiosity can imbue.
    For the Cat had unlocked the door to realms unknown,
    Guiding the children through a tapestry of enchantment,
    Where imagination reigned, and their spirits had grown.
     
    Maniac Craniac, Jun 27, 2023
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good job, ChatGPT - and superb job, Maniac. What I like best --- Edgar Allan Poe as an optimist. Poe and a happy ending? That's a welcome twist. Especially where children are involved.
     
    Johann, Jun 27, 2023
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  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    A friend was fretting about finding the time to write a series of short articles on self-care at work, and I surprised her with a series of nine articles on the subject in her inbox by the time the conversation was over. Thanks, ChatGPT!
     
    SteveFoerster, Jun 27, 2023
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Hmm. Wonder what ChatGPT could do with Shakespeare's Macbeth. Birnham Wood moves to Dunsinane, and there's a big housewarming party with real witches. Banquo isn't dead, he pops out of a cake and everyone lives happily thereafter?
     
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    ..and a surprise appearance by Kanye West.
     
    Johann, Jun 27, 2023
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  17. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    Title: "Macbeth's Jamboree: A Bard's Rhapsody"

    Fair Birnam Wood, by witch's spell, did ambulate on its own,
    To Dunsinane's austere keep, wherein new life was sown.
    Roots deep in stone, leaves kissed the sky, an emblem of mirth and merriment,
    A soiree of splendour was called forth, a night of blissful decadence.

    The castle’s halls with joy resound, aglow in festive light,
    Thanes and witches dance in pairs, a truly bizarre sight.
    Those hags, once harbingers of doom, now sing in harmony,
    Their prophecy of dread replaced with chants of jubilee.

    Behold, a cake, grand and sweet, in feasting hall displayed,
    Trembles, splits, and out springs Banquo, no longer in death's shade!
    Macbeth, in shock, doth stutter, then laughs in warm relief,
    Welcomes back his friend of old, in camaraderie, not in grief.

    Just when revelers thought all surprises spent,
    Emerges, 'midst the Highland fog, a guest not of their continent.
    'Tis Kanye West, in Scottish kilt, with his modern beats and rhymes,
    He seizes the lute, spins a tune, and the crowd with him chimes.
    Once a tale of ambition, death, and treacherous machinations,
    Now a fête of life, love, and wild celebrations.

    From dread and guilt, to peace and joy, the story has taken a turn,
    A unique remix of the Bard's tale, from which many a lesson we learn.
     
    BlueMason, Jul 9, 2023
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  18. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    chrisjm18, Jul 16, 2023
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  19. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    It will be an awesome tool for learning and an awesome tool for cheating. The adjustment period will be harsh, but there's a silver lining. Since both cheaters and genuine learners will have access to the same resources, the cream should still rise to the top. Maybe even more so. If one's only skill in life is cheating by using AI, then that one is most likely to be entirely replaced by AI.
     
    Maniac Craniac, Jul 16, 2023
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  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

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