I am now NCU Student

What gave you that impression? I've suffered fools gladly many times on this board. By comparison, you're really no bother at all.

Dave

 

Chill, Dave. Relax.

If you cannot answer my questions regarding your "recommendations" that do not remotely fit my needs, no problem! There are others here that claim to be experts but never answer questions directed to them. Nothing new.

If you think that a school that is being shopped around for the second time with an urecognized business accredition is a better choice than NCU, so be it. You are entitled to it. I am entitled to ignore it.

No need for cutesy statements or calling people "fools" just because they disagree with you.

 

Hi. I made several recommendations, none of which you seemed to either understand or accept. Unless you have some sort of learning disability, I don't see the utility of the flexible terms; besides, those with ADA-qualified disabilities often can ask for additional time and other accommodations. Still, if you think NCU is your best option with little investigation of the alternatives, then I wish you well; having any MBA should help you take your career to the next level. The MBA is becoming sort of the "high school diploma" of middle management. My primary objection to NCU is that the MBA is far too expensive compared to almost any other distance program.

As for the rumored sale of TUI, I don't answer questions about it, because I don't have any information about it and there is no public information available.

By the way, if you'll re-read my statement, it would normally be comprehended to mean that your comments are really not bothering me because you are far from acting like some of the fools who show up here to shill for one school or another.

Dave

 

Dave


I did my research and found NCU to fit my needs the best. Just like you found the unaccredited California Pacific University to be, a school now listed on the Texas “Fraudulent or “Substandard Institutions with No Known Texas Connection” list at http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/AAR/PrivateInstitutions/fraudnotx.cfm

I can tell by some of your past posts that you resented people making fun of your unaccredited DBA. Your run-ins with Gus were interesting. You claimed your DBA required extensive work. I believe you. Do you like it when you know your school and forum “experts” take exception with you?

I see your choice of Touro International University for a Ph D has also been challenged here in the past. I saw somewhere here TUI questioned for the lack of AACSB. Yet I would never say you were foolish to choose TUI, with its unrecognized business accredition over Grenoble, an AACSB DBA. It was YOUR choice.

You had your reasons for choosing an unaccredited DBA and a PhD from a school that most likely not exist in its present form for much longer. But you will not see me questioning your research skills, health issues (I have none thank goodness!), or intelligence for picking these programs. You made decisions that were designed to benefit Dave, not the “experts” at DI.

NCU is the best fit for me at this point in time.

Cheers!

 

Friend,

Remember, you were warned about NoCentral University, so I hope it works out for you. You've approached your selection of the MBA in a stubborn and short-sighted way, in my opinion. Actually, I'm wondering if you are really a student or just someone paid to appear on this board and make glowing statements. Are you a shill for NoCentral?

By the way, both CPU (1995) and TUI (2001) were great choices at the time I made them. (Going outside of North America is a last resort for earning a doctorate.) NoCentral's Ph.D. program was inferior at that time and things haven't changed, in my opinion; however, a good friend of my just graduated with a Ph.D. from there and I respect the work he has done throughout the time there.

Gus is gone from this board now, and I don't know if he still thinks he knows everything about DL, but probably so. From memory, if he was making fun of me for being a better trained researcher than him, then I was unaware of it.

Let me know if I can every be of service to you.

Dave

 

Good for you!!! Best wishes.


Abner

 

Oh, and one more thought...

Nobody seems to know anything about if TUI is being sold or will be sold. The timing is also a mystery.

What do your sources at NoCentral U tell you? If you could ask them for me, I would appreciate it.

Dave

 

Carlosb,

There is no reason to fight here, you will always have people that will challenge your decisions and tell you that "my degree is better than yours". The degree is what you make out of it, to me NCU, TUI, Capella, and Walden are in the same lines as very few outside the DL world would recognize them. If a prospect employer has a bias against virtual schools, they will toss out your resume if it is NCU, TUI, Capella or any virtual school so there is no reason to believe that one would be superior to other one.

There are no rankings for virtual schools so there is hardly any point of reference for people to compare them. None of the virtual schools are Harvard so your choice must be based on preference.

 

Actually, I was unaware that we were fighting. He's trying to defend a bad decision by (ostensibly) shilling for NoCentral, and even all the people at NoCentral that are helping him can't come up with even one good reason to pursue their seemingly inferior and overpriced MBA program...

Dave

 

I totally agree!

Thanks

 

Hi Dave,

I don't know if it's true that you got a DBA from California Pacific University, which isn't accredited. However, if it is true, then how can you be so overly critical of someone who is attending NCU, which is regionally accredited? It seems like a stark contradiction.

Again, if it's true that you went to California Pacific University (I'm not 100% sure on this), then what was your motivation? Were you simply unaware of the accreditation process at that time?

 

Hi. You can read all about my thoughts on California Pacific University by reading this board. In sum, I had some research interests and was able to pursue them at the school. No, I don't think attending an unaccredited school is bad thing. It depends on the level of study and what you need the degree for. Technically, California Pacific University is California State Approved, just like SCUPS, which was (and still is) Don Hecht's school before he founded NoCentral U. Yes, I knew then and now all about regional accreditation. There were no schools in North America that met my needs at that time.

By the way, if you will read this thread you will realize that I have no general problem with NoCentral University, but I do think their MBA program is astronomically overpriced. Apparently, they agree, want to hide that fact, and have sent their shills to attempt to hassle me. Also, NoCentral U management seems hellbent on trying to sully TUI, eventhough TUI has nearly crushed them in the pure distance marketspace by any metric; 75% market share, published professors, everything... You name the metric NoCentral is struggling to catch up; it's strictly a J.V. operation. No doubt.

Moreover, since it is clear that people from NoCentral U are undoubtedly reading this thread now and will summon even more NoCentral U shills upon us, I would like to point out one simple fact. The NoCentral U staff and administration should update their resumes and CVs, because if TUI ever is sold Don Hecht will probably call investment bankers to see if he can sell NoCentral U. The investment bankers and/or venture capitalists will probably tell him to shake up his management team to get the university in shape to sell, because up to this point, they've been getting creamed. Again, the current NoCentral management team does not have a vision of how to get out of their current mess.

Again, to make it clear to everyone and the NoCentral U shills, my only objection to recommending their MBA is that it is ridiculously expensive for a program with no programmatic accreditation. Please look at some of the many other programs available. Even if they plan to seek such accreditation, they shouldn't be charging more than $300 to $350 per hour. It's unethical!

Dave

 

Dave,

I agree that NCU is expensive, but so are all the other online schools. I certainly can't afford NCU's tuition, but their scholarship program puts it within my reach. The tuition of Capella, UoP and Walden also priced me out of the market.

I also think that TUI is fine, but your analogy that TUI is beating NCU into the dust is a rather flaky idea. You are correct that TUI has grown faster than NCU, but when one looks at the facts, it becomes abundantly clear why that is so:

• First of all, TUI originally fell under Touro College, which already had RA status, so there was never a question about the accredited status of TUI when it was created in 1997. TUI immediately received the "RA safeguard" of Touro College by the regional accreditors in 1998. It can be extremely difficult for a school to achieve this sort of status and it's generally a time-consuming affair, but TUI is an exception to this rule. They began like a firecracker right out of the gate because they [essentially] received RA status the day that they opened their doors for business. Then when TUI received their own seperate RA status in 2004 (?), it had already been basking in the safety of RA status for several years (Touro College was established in 1970, some 30 years earlier). This entire situation is an anomaly which TUI has benefited from. Good for them.
  
• On the other hand, NCU didn't receive RA status until the 21st Century. However, once NCU was accredited, it began to grow rapidly and I believe that 2006 has seen the fastest growth so far.

I'm not a salesman for TUI or NCU, but comparing the growth rates of these two schools is like comparing apples and oranges. Both schools are doing well, but TUI is an outgrowth of an institution (Touro College) that was created in 1970 and TUI has been under the umbrella of a 30 year operation. Conversely, NCU wasn't accredited until the 21st Century and didn't have another institutes umbrella to benefit from.

Regarding the for-profit status of American colleges and universities, it is here to stay. Caveat emptor.

 

Price is sometimes not the only factor to consider. In my case for example, I have 3K a year for tuition fees given to me by my employer.

In my case, I was looking for a University program that I could pay as I go given my budget (3K + 2K of my own pocket). Some programs like Capella cannot be followed with the pay as you go plan as if you pay per term regardless of courses taken (even if none are taken) so regardless of price the payment plan was key to me.

 

Actually, you're agreeing with me to some extent. TUI has grown much faster than NoCentral in a shorter period and there are reasons for it; it would seem that TUI had a far better strategy and has executed that strategy very well. On the hand, NoCentral's strategy was not as good, and its executive team has had trouble executing by comparison in what seems to be a white hot DL market. Regardless of whether the strategy was poor or the execution was poor, it could mean changes at the top for NoCentral. In the end, if TUI is sold (and there is no strong evidence that it will be sold) the purchasing entity will undoubtedly understand it's success, as evidenced by the purchase, and provide it with the necessary resources to grow even faster.

Dave

 

Just dropped in and wonder why the angst and anger with NCU? Calling other posting folks "shills" and "fools" even in a tongue in cheek manner is odd behavior. Additionally, it seems odd that one would take every opportunity to drive a wedge between a student and the school that student chooses to attend. Where I will get my PhD is my business, why I choose the school I choose is my business. I believe NCU probably has no need to "send" anyone out to harass you. Even thinking they would makes me wonder about your perception of your level of importance to NCU. Exactly what has NCU done in the past that has resulted in this seeming vendetta? Did the school reject your application? Catch you violating some sort of school handbook rules? What? Prying eyes and burning ears are wondering ...

 

Hi. You should probably re-read the thread to get a better idea of what has been discussed. There is no "angst and anger with NCU".

Since you have just created a new account and chosen to remain anonymous, I hope you don't mind me asking about your relationship to NoCentral. Are you a student? Employee? Faculty? Administration? Thanks.

Dave

 

Who am I?

I could be coy, but no need, I am not mysterious at all. I just was amused by the thread of your comments running throughout this line of posts. You say there is no "angst and anger" in your various posts. I tend to disagree, and I am new here, so my eyes are new as well. I am no shill for NCU, not employed by NCU, and I choose to reveal what I choose to reveal. I value opinion, and I recognize we all have at least some sort of opinion about almost anything. NCU has done me no harm, so I just wondered why you have tried to drive several of their students to look elsewhere. Seems odd behavior to me. Offering this as just helping them to search for a better option (cost, rank, accreditation status), seemed OK until one pulls back a bit and notes that the "help" is always to the detriment of NCU. I then wonder why that would be your undercurrent. Nothing else. If it womehow makes your day to think NCU is shadowing you and sending "shills" after you, go right ahead. I somehow think NCU Administration, Staff, Professors, and Students have enough to do other than chasing someone who probably is not significant in the grand scheme of "things." I am not significant in the grand scheme of "things" either, but I also don't believe an online university is sending anyone to battle me. I joined this line of talk just because I wanted to, no other reason. Don't think I need one.

 

Er ... one other thing

I just realized something that was itching at me. You refer to NCU as NoCentral. Since all the other posts have used the initials NCU, why would you choose to use NoCentral? Seems odd to me. I went and looked, and it is pretty much universally NCU.

Care to talk about it? I took an undergraduate minor in Psychology, so I am not a "real" clinician, but I do recall the class on how we all do things subconciously. I tend to defend the weaker, and the ones that are not there to hold their own. That is me.

How about you? Anything you might like to share about why you seem pitted opposite NCU?

 

Re: Who am I?

The new students come here or are sent here "out of the blue" to state they just enrolled in the NoCentral MBA program, and that it is the most wonderful program ever. Other anonymous personalities show up about the same time and tell the new "student" what a great decision they've made.

I try to make these students aware of their options, especially about less expensive MBA programs that seem to offer more. Sometimes they listen and sometimes they post marketing information or words that seem like something an enrollment counselor would say. (For all I know, you and the rest of them could be NoCentral employees who are trying to create positive buzz; few details about their real identity are known.)

You're being a bit dramatic by trying to hatch a conspiracy theory against NoCentral. I think that if you really believed in what you were saying or if you didn't have a hidden agenda, then it is likely that you wouldn't hide behind this newly created jumpdog82 persona, and then appear only when you can say something in defense of NoCentral.

Dave