Hungarian PM denounces Soros-backed college, US urges restraint

All educational institutions which claim to have a foreign home are to have a foreign accreditation and presence, according to this recommendation.
There are 27 universities in Hungary that have the same problem, not just CEU.
CEU lured many Central and Eastern Europeans in by suggesting that they will get dual, accredited diplomas, one in Hungary and one in US.

Lest we forget, in 2005 similar situation arose around CEU. Mr. Soros made significant veiled threats against then-education minister Bálint Magyar, if the laws were not adjusted to favor CEU.

Imagine there is an audit by the Department of Education for each and every regional accrediting organization. Several of the accredited schools fail the requirements. New laws by the DoE are put out to tighten the validations in the accrediting organizations. The richest school throws a fit and spends millions on a media campaign.

For example, CEU cannot provide numbers of their students; a simple count. They, themselves do not know who their students are. None of the higher level (ex MBA) are valid in the US, but is sold to Hungarians, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians, etc. CEU is unable to provide home country (US) approved accreditation.

This is where they are now.

Most kids do not make it to college in Hungary. They spend six or more months studying for written and oral tests. This is not because Eastern Europeans are dumb, but because it is extremely hard.

 

I'm sure there are standards. I'm not sure they're being broken here. Even if I don't like it, don't agree, or would somehow object, that doesn't change the fact that other countries get to make their own laws and enforce those laws as they see fit. There are far worse things going on in the world and we do nothing about them. I'm having a hard time getting upset over this micro-issue.

 

Evidently not. Other foreign-based institutions in Hungary do have home campuses.

Is it what Orban government claims? Here, let me help you: Middle States Commission on Higher Education. I doubt CEU "can't provide" what I found in 15 seconds on the Internet. It does in fact have recognised accreditation.

Really? Good for Hungary for maintaining standards. I don't see relevance though.

 

Seriously? We are not supposed to care about certain things because there are worse things in the world? Not even you follow this logic.
For me, it is part of creeping Putinism in the EU. It spreads one "micro-issue" at a time.

 

And now, this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-launches-probe-hungarian-education-104059448.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

 

Mmmm. Maybe I'm getting burnt out on all the micro-issues. Creeping nationalism is everywhere around the globe. I can't get upset about it all - got to pick your battles. There's enough of it at home without worrying about Soros' school. Sorry to disappoint, still not upset.

 

it is tiresome.

 

Mmmm. Tiring perhaps but not exactly tiresome.

 

You realise that no one forces you to read or comment in this thread, right?

 

It is tedious, wearing, monotonous, and sometimes mind-numbing.

 

This is the funniest thing I have read. I literally stated laughing out loud. "creeping Putinism" Hahahahahahahah


Hahahhahahah

Are you joking? China does more to manipulate the world then Putin could even dream about. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

Yeah, I do. But do you realize that asking that question makes you look like a bit of a maroon?

 

An interesting nugget in the conversation relates to the sheer number of people who are claiming that they "won't be silenced" in their protests and that the closing of the institution constitutes an attack on free speech. Hopefully any of the Americans getting involved will consider these sentiments and contemplate domestic attacks on free speech at American universities.

 

What is a maroon?

 

Perhaps, but as far as Hungary is concerned, it's certainly Putin rather than the Chinese. There's a new draft law, specifically targeting NGOs, and it's similar to the one already adopted in Russia. And Russian elite soldiers are active in Hungary, providing training and assistance to the paramilitary forces of Jobbik, the Hungarian Neo-Nazi party. You know, the blokes who harass and sometimes murder members of the Roma minority and keep lists of Jewish politicians, artists, writers and university teachers.

 

Yes. Hungarian Alt-Right. And current Humgarian push is such a carbon copy of the "Foreign Agent" anti-NGO by Putin it is not even funny. But I guess it is the Kool-Aid speaking.

 

Oh, it is funny to you, huh?
One of the things about Russian "hybrid warfare" is that they're not picky in potential allies; any political fringe will do. Thus, both David Duke and Jill Stein have very pleasant contacts within Russian politicum. One thing in common for all these fringes, however, is that the bulk of their rank and file are not very intelligent. Helps consume all the conspiracy theories. It is nice to see parts of the Trump movement finding their place in the global International of looney tunes.

How is your conversational Russian, funny man? Do you perhaps have family in a country currently at war with Russia? Met a soldier crippled in that war lately? Care to share your funny jokes with a family member of MH17 passenger (I wanted to suggest you talked to the passengers themselves, but decided against wishing death on people on Holy Week)? Do you know what Russia does in Ukraine? Georgia? Moldova? Azerbaijan? Kyrgyzstan? Know what kind of people run Chechnya under Putin? What kind of people met for a "congress" in St. Petersburgh 2 years ago? Even know who Sergey Magnitsky was? Can you name at least two prominent Russians Putin's media branded as "national traitors"? Know why Russians are protesting right now? Can you even point out Hungary on the map?

And, if you worry about China meddling so much - tell it to the guy cutting American diplomacy and foreign aid. China is not cutting.

 

In my opinion, the Russians don't have to creep into Hungary, they can walk upright. Orbán is also known as "Little Putin" and is the sort of politician who will travel to Brussels to sign EU agreements and then go straight home to lead rallies against the EU, chanting 'Stop Brussels!'

 

Those are some serious allegations. You have any proof of it?

I know for a fact that US special forces training is in that country, as it is a NATO member. I know they also train here in the US. The US Army MTT has been in Szolnok, Hungary since 2001. I know the Army 172rd is in the Hungary.


Let me short circuit this for you since you have nothing...

Hitler. Nazi.

It is so predictable it is boring.

 

Research, mate, nothing beats it. Being half Hungarian, able to read and speak the language, and having family still living Hungary isn't exactly a disadvantage either.

Please read what I wrote again: I didn't say the Russians soldiers were offering training and advice to the Hungarian army.