Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by chrisjm18, Oct 13, 2020.
Absolutely not! But I am an opportunist; everyday is a chance.
Here's a new program for you. You were recently calling for more DBAs for IT professionals. Of course, it costs almost as much as Hult.
University of Colorado Colorado Springs - Executive DBA - Cybersecurity Management (AACSB Accredited Business School)
The EDBA Cyber program is designed for working professionals who have a minimum of 5 years of managerial or consultative experience in cybersecurity, Information systems, IT, or a related field. The EDBA-Cyber is a 3.5 year, part-time program.
The program is delivered in an executive format. All courses are online except for the limited residency cohorts which will meet on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, three times per semester. Enrolled out-of-state students will be provided with travel stipends to help offset the costs of travel to Colorado Springs.
Tuition: $1,060 (in state) x 60 = 63,600; $1,437 (out of state) x 60 = 86,220
Why do you say that?
Thanks Chris, but it is pricey. If I decide for a DBA, properly Liberty University. For Cybersecurity, it seems Marymount University in Arlington, Virginia. Right now, I am keeping three of these choices after I complete my MBA.
1. University of Glasgow's Ph.D in Management (Research)
2. University of Leicester's Ph.D in Management (Research)
3. ESCP (École Supérieure de Commerce de Paris) Business School's Ph.D in Business Administration (Global Executive format)
I was unaware that Glasgow offered a distance PhD. Very prestigious school, one of the oldest universities in the world.
We offer flexible study options including full-time and part-time PhDs, as well as on-campus study or distance learning.
It takes a minimum of three years to complete the PhD on a full-time basis and a minimum of five years for part-time study.
Students may start their PhDs at two points in the year: October or January (direct entry only)."
Please note that for the PhD at a non-U.S. school, the term "distance learning" does not necessarily mean you will not have to travel to the campus. One would be advised to get a clear read on what the school's expectations for on-campus presence will be. And note: your advisor can add requirements for on-campus presence as well.
I thought they all require on campus residencies. Am I wrong?
Yes - I can think of 1.7 trillion reasons why you might be. It would be wonderful if no one needed them, but if THE opportunity arises, and a person can't swing it any other way...
I don't think so - at all. I think Rich was just being helpful, pointing out that different schools will require varying amounts of time spent on campus - and to add in any other on-ground requirements that your advisor specifies, as well.
From a business perspective, degrees "get you in the game". Certain schools get you at certain tables to play but none of them will pay "big money". You get the "big money" once you are at the table...but once you are at the table, no one really cares about your degree.
Take accounting, for example. An accounting degree from the University of Phoenix won't cut it my friends if you want at job at the big 4 (at least if you're not a diversity hire, and even then). You need a decent school. However, you won't make money working for the big 4 unless you make Partner (or maybe Sr Mgr, depending on your idea of big money). However, once you are in the big 4, no one cares about your degree.
"Wrong" is such a powerful word. I don't know. My point is that it varies tremendously, not only from school-to-school, but from program-to-program and even advisor-to-advisor. It is common on this board to hear people talk about how they cannot go on campus, so I thought I would highlight the point that distance learning does not equate to "no trips to the campus." That's all.
In my program at Leicester, the only required attendance was your viva (thesis defense). I actually traveled to Leicester seven times in the course of my program to participate in various things; the viva was the least demanding and impactful of them. It was an hour--and it could easily have been done over Skype. (I bet they're doing the viva over Zoom during the pandemic!)
I would imagine that residencies, like so many other things in post-graduate study--are negotiable. But it would be folly to assume--not that you do, but others--that because the school offers the doctorate by DL it means you don't have to go to the campus.
This is an example of a social phenomenon I talk about a lot--the industry leader who takes all the hits for the industry. There's nothing unique about UoP regarding your main point--it would apply to a great number of schools. The "big 4" are quite picky. Yet, when it came time to use a specific school's name that would communicate your point, you reached for UoP. There are, literally, thousands of schools that would have sufficed, but you reached for UoP.
(This is NOT a criticism of your post. I just want to make a point your post hinted at.)
Take fast food. When someone wants to comment on the ills of the fast food industry and wants to drop a casual example, whom do they choose? McDonalds, every single time. Yes, McDonalds is the industry leader, but Wendy's (to pick an alternative) ranks 6th in sales (2nd in burgers) and NO ONE uses them as an avatar for the industry.
The University of Phoenix--for whom I taught for 3 years--gets a really bad (and undeserved) rap for academic quality.
Agreed. I suppose the tallest tree in the forest is the one that gets hit by all the lightning.
Rich, another thing to consider is Covid 19. Would not be surprised if many programs that had "some" residency will convert to 100% distance... never to return.
University of Phoenix is a symbol of inferiority. I could say, "I went to a shit school, but at least it wasn't the University of Phoenix". Similar to Harvard being a symbol of excellence. I could say, "I went to a good school, not Harvard, but good." Of course, Phoenix may not be that bad... and Harvard not that good.
I wouldn't be surprised either. But then, neither would I bet my future on it.
I kind of think when those positions are strongly held they're more a symbol of the naivete of the holder. (Greg, I realize that's not you.)
It was an unfortunate example. There is far more disinformation and misinformation about UoP than there is information. Using them as a go-to avatar for anything anyone doesn't like about higher education does a disservice to their students...and their school.
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