How can I be less ridiculous in future?

Find find find... not "fine"... geez



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Quinn

 

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I did not believe your story before because of my tendency to assume that people who posses fake degrees are likely to concoct stories. Now that you have presented the evidence, I have no option than to believe you. What happened to you shouldn’t have happened because you are not ripping people off with your fake degree. While I empathize with you, I also believe that you are capable of earning accredited (GAAP) degrees. However, just like a poster pointed out earlier (that it comes with the territory), you have to be ready to face more humiliations in future because of those degrees. The embarrassment may not come from these five individuals.
For the record, I have nothing to do with the emails that were allegedly sent to Tyler by people who post on this forum.

 

Facinating link. Now the next question is - who is qualified to be considered "a scholar".

 

I meant to say that I am not among the people who sent emails to Tyler.

 

Someone pointed out here once that "scholar" is a title that others choose or choose not to use when referring to another. It has nothing to do with degrees. Degrees are never listed on formal papers. (I prefer the term "formal paper" to "scholarly paper", BTW.)

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Quinn

 

I would like to add here, for the record, that while my first doctorate will be GAAP, I would have no reservations about earning a second doctorate from a legitimate unaccredited school--say, a Psy.D. from California Coast, for example.


Cheers,

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Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

co-author, Bears' Guide to the Best Education Degrees by Distance Learning (Ten Speed Press)
co-author, Get Your IT Degree and Get Ahead (Osborne/McGraw-Hill)

 

Pardon -- email addresses and names. I did not forward the content of the emails themselves. That was yesterday.

Anyway, I received an apology from more than one of the five... and that's that.



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Quinn

 

Thank you Quin. The NYT had a very article, featuring Dr. Stephen Hawking and his work on Black Holes. It mentioned that he has presented many "scholarly" papers on this subject, and I was confused as to what this meant. Now I know. That link also contained listing of his research work. Thanks again!

 

A degree from CalCoast is unaccredited and may have little or no utility but it is definitely not a fake degree.

 

A degree from CalCoast is unaccredited and may have little or no utility but it is definitely not a fake degree

 

The reply was for a different post (by Tom Head).

 

Quinn - I'm sorry that you had to put up with all that - undeserved to say the least. It was good of you not publishing their names - probably better than I would have been under the same circumstances. BTW, I basically agree with Barrys comments. You can't post throughout a long thread that you think "outing" people is a great service and then act outraged when it actually happens.
Jack

 

Expected more of what, Barry? You have been one of the most vehement advocates of RA degrees on the board, highlighting on several occasions the ramifications of non-RA degrees.

When I stated that some of this comes with the territory, I mean't only that when one has non-RA credentials one should be aware that this type of behavior is a possibility. There is, and will continue to be, that element which seeks to malign those who hold such credentials.

Russell

 

I am an advocate of RA degrees. I also am an advocate of an informed choice - free choice.

I'll be among the first to point out the weakness of not having a RA degree. I try to do it in a direct fashion. But my objective is for consumers to make an informed choice. I refuse to think that people are better or worse depending on the flavor of their accreditation.

It is not my job (nor anyone elses on this board) to play judge and jury.

Most important, I am an advocate for basic humane values. Maybe I expect too much that others would be active, vocal advocates for the same - some more than others.

Something thing like standing up for what's right.

I don't consider this a minor difference of opinion. The "expose 'em" strategy is unjust, unfair, and grossly generalized. There is a significant difference between letting the school of hard knocks take it's toll, verses swinging the bat yourself.

It's not much better if you sit back and watch with comments like "Well, get used to it."

I know I'm not making many friends with this theme, but I refuse to let it go. To blindside a person (like going to ABC or someone's employer) - just because you disagree with her/his choice of education - is simply raunchy. Not speaking up against this practice shocks me.

Jerry Springer does business this way. If we argue informed educational choices - while engaging in Springeristic actions - we will (have?) bring (brought?) this board to the level of AED.

Pastor Russell, what is your opinion on such activity? Do you condone what happened here and what's been happening in the other thread?

 

The condescending & superior attitude isn't very becoming, Barry. But, rest assured I'm well-versed in sociology, thanks anyway.

That aside, if I am to believe your theory that a thread on this board started the so-called "witch hunt", I think it says far more about the participants than it does about the "leadership" here. These people don't have minds of their own? If I was to advocate that struggling students should plagiarize to save time, I suppose some members here would suddenly start sending checks to Shiela's term paper service? Hardly.

For the record, I think this whole thing is asinine. Comparing Quinn's situation to the "outings" on ABC is, to borrow a phrase, like comparing apples to moonrocks. Why you ask?

1) His unaccredited degrees are not from a school that is a scam/criminal operation like Columbia State was.

2) He's always been very upfront about the nature of his degrees, including advice that his situation is unique & not applicable to most people.

3) He doesn't (AFAIK) hold a position where he wields influence over other people's lives or safety (like a psychologist, college professor, court administrator, or nuclear safety technician).

4) He didn't obtain his employment based on fraudulent credentials.

You may disagree with me about the value of exposing out-and-out frauds, and that's fine. But when people take it upon themselves to write e-mails about a totally different situation, that's something no one has control over except the people that are doing the writing.


Bruce

 

I did not believe your story before because of my tendency to assume that people who posses fake degrees are likely to concoct stories.

Rhetorical Questions: Are you saying that people who have fake degrees are more likely to lie? Does that mean that the "better" the degree one possess, the more ethical the person?

So then, would it be safe to conclude that people with fake degrees deserve to be publicly humiliated? Should we help speed up the humilition?

Seems like an awful big assumption to live life by. Our decisions to act are based on our assumptions and perceptions - not necessarily on objective truth.

Folks, I'm sure that many are thinking I'm being an ass about this. Perhaps you're right - and I could go about this in a better way. But to me this is a BIG deal. I'm convinced that this path is very unhealthy. I speak because I care - for the future witch-hunt victims and for the future of this board.

Barry Foster

 

Do you believe anyone deserves - - humiliation, honestly? Should we not look at the person holistically, considering their life's work and experience? In Quinn's case, he fully admits his degrees are unaccredited, but legal under Louisiana law. The information is on his website for all to see. But what really determines someone’s level of knowledge?

You know, not too many years ago there was a man at the military school I attended that boys and I came to for advice. It didn't matter what the problem - - concerns of the heart, a bad grade in class, issues at home. He had a reputation for helping people in need. It was not uncommon for him to receive 3 or 4 for visitors a night in his meager living space on campus.

We often thought he was a retried doctor of some sort, an educated person to be sure. And so one day, when confronted with these questions, the man disclosed the truth - - he had not moved beyond 6th grade. Yet, we still came. As time progressed and word of mouth spread, more and more boys came for help and advice. He was the school’s groundskeeper.

 

Go back and read one of Quinn's responses in this thread. He attributes it directly to the ABC activity and the possee.

In other words, this happened as a result of that thread - where you defended such activities.

Bruce, I like you and appreciate your admin work here. However, we will never agree on this one. Unfortunately on this subject, I can't even agree to disagree.

Barry

 

So, because Quinn says that's the reason, that makes it so? Is that really what you mean, or am I reading this incorrectly?

And, just to make myself clear for the umpteenth time, the activities that I defended involved people with fraudulent degrees. We're not talking about Cal Coast, American Coastline, Columbia Pacific, or other schools that are merely unaccredited. We're talking about Columbia State....get your degree when the check clears, period. A total fraud. The owner is in prison.


Bruce