Hey Marines!

I would want to emphasize that while I have a certain amount of empathy/sympathy/agreement with the OWS protesters, this is actually not anything that I have been involved in or even follow closely. With that having been said, I am only aware of this one tape of the Sgt. going on and on. There may be others but I have not seen them. So if you use a phrase like, "We just disagree with the execution of the way he is going about it..." I'm thinking that maybe this is a guy who had a day where he got a little too worked up... I'm more about forgiveness than punishment. I'm not going to discard the message because I don't like the delivery method. I've had a few bad days myself and I wouldn't want my whole character judged by my behavior then. You?

 

No matter regarding OccupyOMC’s disclosure request … while in public and in the service of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, one had best exhibit an apolitical stance. The Department of Defense (DoD) and the UCMJ Articles 92 and 88 “regulate” the individual service member’s political activity. Under Article 2 of the UCMJ, retired members of the military drawing retirement pay, as well as active-duty service members, are subject to UCMJ provisions. Article 134, known as the catch-all article, makes criminal those acts of speech that are prejudicial to good order and discipline or that could bring discredit upon the Armed Forces. This is wide-ranging and explains why it is often called the catch-all article. If the chain of command believes that one’s political involvement has affected his /her unit or the military, you could be punished under this article. Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, e.g., Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation. Moreover, if one has plans to speak out against the current administration, I would strongly recommend against it until you are off active duty — and not collecting retired pay!

 

That's the one, I couldn't remember the article, I was too lazy to look it up, and I knew one of the many other veterans/active duty people here would come through with it. :yup:

I remember a case several years ago involving animal cruelty where some knuckleheads killed several horses, one of whom as an active-duty Marine. The civilians got a relative slap on the wrist in state court, but the Marine got the hammer dropped on him in a huge way, courtesy of a general court martial. I think he served significant time in a military prison.

 

Bruce,

Adding to how severe military General Courts-Martial (equivalent to a civilian conviction in a federal district court) can be:

While stationed with the 1st Marine Division at Camp Pendleton, CA two Marines in our regiment stole a Marine’s 8-track tape player; both were convicted and received Dishonorable Discharges (DDs) and sentenced to 5-years hard labor at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks (USDB), Ft. Leavenworth, KS. I recall that Army MPs handled the escort detail to Ft. Leavenworth.
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/usdb/

 

While I was at the US Army MP School at Fort McClellan, I trained to be a combat support/law enforcement MP, but we had to have a short orientation in corrections, with corrections MP being a distinct MOS. We saw a film about the USDB Fort Leavenworth, and it was no joke. Even though all prisoners are technically E-1's (all pay and benefits forfeited), they're addressed as "prisoner" by the staff, as they've lost the right to be called Soldier, Marine, Sailor, Airman, etc. "Club Fed", it isn't.

The cell extraction team concept that we see now in prison reality shows was developed and perfected at the USDB Fort Leavenworth.

 

I found this interesting;

Iraq War Veteran Injured at OWS Oakland Founder of IHateTheMarineCorps.com | Verum Serum

 

I hope the kid makes a full recovery. And, I don't want to judge him on his bad choices (smoking weed and doing Coke in the military is not really that bad). Perhaps he had a bad day?

 

But for a fellow Marine and/or his unit having need of depending on his being able to effectively function at his job; in my experience that would entail his being sober and not under the influence (UI) ... including marijuana and/or Blow.:hypnotized:

 

You're kidding, right?

When I was in, the Army took drug abuse VERY seriously. If you popped on a urine test, E-1 through E-4 got one chance....treatment, then probation. E-5 and above.....thanks for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you.

 

I was referencing Kizmet's last post to me about being judgemental towards the protester Marine. She never judges other people, so I am trying to follow in her footsteps.

 

I knew you were facetious in your comment; I just didn’t take in who it was intentional for. :wink1:

 

I make lots of judgements about people. Who is nice and who is mean. Who is smart and who is not. Who is safe and who is just too risky. I make all these judgements (and more) every day. In some ways it's a part of my job but it's also just part of life.

 

I know, I think you and I get each other in that aspect. But judging you just by your online personality (which is entirely unfare) I would bet you have judged me (using your rating criteria you noted above) as:mean, not smart, and too risky.

My wife would probably tell you there's a lot more about me to not like in addition to those noted above....

Good night.

 

maybe too risky. not mean. not stupid. sleep well.

 

HEY MARINES!!! It's USMC Day!!! So drop and give me 50!!!

November 10 Holiday - USMC Day, Marine Corps, Continental Marines at Holiday Insights

 

I did that this morning at the gym. KILL!

 

Smoke, the last donkey mascot of the USMC in Iraq dies in retirement.

Smoke, donkey mascot for U.S. Marines in Iraq, dies in Nebraska - Yahoo! News

Some of you may not know this but donkeys are great animals. Say a small prayer.

 

During Mountain Warfare Training we actually trained with using Donkey's to pack supplies up the mountains. It was actually pretty funny tryin to push them up the mountain. Fun animals!

 

These are the truest words ever spoken. :iagree:

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