Hawaii List Update

Scientology must be good. I mean, how can 300 American mayors be wrong?

 

Let us not forget that "Dr." Hubbard does indeed have a connection to degree mills, as previously discussed in this thread.

 

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Originally posted by uncle janko

“Legislatures everywhere, at the behest of one or two members, constantly issue proclamations like "Kohlrabi: the Miracle Vegetable" (Michigan), "Puerto Rican Rum is Great and Jamaican Rum Stinks Month" (Puerto Rico), Dubious Seminary Week (Indiana), "Crazy Guys Holed Up with Guns Day" (Idaho), hundredth-birthday greetings, and so forth”

Again janko, you are the best. I can stop the laugh

 

Not exactly.

When California had a three-tier system, Pacific Western operated in its lowest, Authorized. When California got rid of this category and required all schools to be Approved, Pacific Western could only get its business programs approved. Those are offered by the California version of the school. All other degrees are awarded by the Hawaiian version. (The Hawaiian version also offers business degrees, so perhaps the dynamic described by Bill could occur in that discipline.)

What seems clear to me is that Pacific Western ducked the requirements of the California Approval process by moving its operations "off shore," despite not really ever leaving California. This tack was also taken by Kennedy-Western and Frederick Taylor, among others. Why California tolerates this is anyone's guess.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Also, remember that some Accredited Universities move to.

Examples

APUS
WALDEN
Etc…

 

Rich is correct about no shunting from Hawaii to California. I proposed real work upon a detailed plan. Upon asking if the degree could be granted via the California "part", I was told no, since it wouldn't be a business "degree", but that the diplomas had no location on them so I could say whatever I wanted.

Feh!

 

Interesting, there's a certain NPD that claims a philosophy degree (PhD) from PWU Hawaii

http://samvak.tripod.com/cv.html

hehehe

Now of course it's possible that he got that before PWU moved everything but the business degrees to Hawaii? The reason that it's funny is that in his book on NPD's it states that academic fraud is especially seductive to people with NPD.

 

What's the deal on this character?

 

When real universities move, they move the whole operation, not just their mailbox. Why would a real operation have a mailbox in Hawaii but operate from California, for example? I don't know of any valid reason.

 

He's a guy that wrote what appears to me to be a pretty good book on NPD's. He gets his insight from being one. He said that he started out to write the book in order to help heal himself. He said that it helped him to better understand himself but it didn't really heal him. I learned a bunch about NPD's from his book. Apparently it is a very difficult or maybe impossible thing to ever recover from, at least if you have a really bad case. He apparently also does a lot of counselling work with people that are NPD's.

 

Bill Huffman wrote:

> When real universities move, they move the whole
> operation, not just their mailbox. Why would a real operation
> have a mailbox in Hawaii but operate from California, for
> example? I don't know of any valid reason.

In Canada in the 1970s, every few years there was a postal strike. During the strikes, some quite legitimate Canadian operations had their mail delivered to US addresses. Dennis's and my alma mater, the Universty of Alberta, had an address in Sweetgrass, Montana, for this purpose.

Yours truly,
MI
king of the irrelevant corrections

 

APUS moved before it was accredited, then became a candidate. It moved from the jurisdiction of one accreditor (SACS) to another (NCA). It actually moved its physical operations from Virginia to West Virginia.

Walden did the same, moving from Florida to Minneapolis. Same result.

Pacific Western didn't move. It obtained a license from Hawaii to operate its (PWU's) degree programs California would not approve (the vast majority of them). This "move" had nothing to do with accreditation. Not only is PWU not on an accreditation track, it remained in the same accreditor's (WASC's) jurisdiction.

No comparison there.

 

Thanks for the interesting tidbit, I note that you didn't claim that the "legitimate Canadian operations" said that they had moved to their US addresses.

Yours truly,
Bill, Prince of the irrelevant clarification

 

This is one of the reasons I once started a thread asking what universities are.

Not conceptually: I wasn't asking about their function or legality. I meant physically: when one of these puppies moves from one state to another, what's actually boxed up and shipped?

I mean, the University of California at Berkeley has an elaborate website. Knightsbridge University has an elaborate website. Both offer an ostensibly similar product: taught degrees in many subjects and doctorates awarded on the basis of original research.

So, what exactly lies behind the nice image that the websites present? To steal Gertrude Stein's line about Oaktown: What kind of there is there there?

Obviously a DL school could argue that it doesn't need all of the physical plant. But how many facilities and how many personnel can just be stripped away without eliminating important functions?

Obviously a DL school could argue that it's existence is "virtual", that its personnel can be distributed world wide. But how many of these virtual staff are there? What do they actually do and how much time do they spend doing it? How can their participation even be verified?

When everything is always located somewhere else, how does one know that any of it is real?

I'm inclined to be influenced by results. Do universities that grant doctorates by research actually produce any research? Do people affilated with these institutions participate in the intellectual and professional life of their discipline? Hence my being an idiot googlant.

 

A specific example: Heed University. I thought it was dead. Someone else found out it wasn't. But where is it and what is it? Is it bigger than a mailboxes usa breadbox? Does it go to Florida for the winter and play mahjongg?

Or: Adam Smith University's 29000 volume library.

Does it winter in Connecticut or shuffle to Saipan?
Does it lounge out in Liberia or fill Uzbekistan?
Is it potty-reads for Grunewald or line V. Blama's can?
The Minister of Learning, Ms Evelyn Kandakai,
done told you once, for she's no dunce
there's less than meets the eye.
The great Abdulah Dunbar's the circulation clerk.
It's less fun than N.B.O.E. but hardly half the work.
We all miss Charles Taylor, our favorite warlord,
we're munching goobers in the stacks and getting kind of bored.
St Regis, St Regis, your greener pastures lie
open like a h****r's legs and soaring to the sky,
so we'll bid Adam's twenty-nine-K liberry bye bye.


Oh. Sorry. I've been giddy since the end of the Bengal War.

 

Bill:

I must correct your usage of the term Idiot Googlant. In my opinion, of all the members of this forum, you are among those that least fit the description (see here).

Idiot Googlants (extreme cases of GoogleHead or GoogleBrain) are individuals characterized primarily by their lack of independent creative thought and inability to coherently formulate an argument. In other words they are severely dependent on Internet search engines (primarily Google) for any kind of memory functions, frequently don’t fully comprehend the results of their searches (poor choice of search parameters contribute to the problem), and are unable synthesize, extrapolate, or opine based on the information they have uncovered. It is not a good thing.

In other words, as the name implies, in real life, away from a computer, Idiot Googlants are morons, unable to substantiate anything they say (not that this prevents them from expressing an opinion on a multitude of subjects). In discussion forums, Idiot Googlants fool others into thinking they are semi-intelligent by quoting things that are often irrelevant such as the number of hits, time for search, etc., instead of the actual content (they usually don’t bother to read the linked Web pages). When they do read the content, Idiot Googlants tend to give equal weight to personal Web pages, blogs, academic or government sites, or even Usenet postings. However, it is true that some Idiot Googlants excel at finding that one obscure Web site that they feel supports their position (conveniently overlooking the multitude of others that negate it).

A little (as in improper or not comprehended) Googling is a dangerous thing.

 

Bill -

Please pardon my ignorance, but what is the definition of an "NPD"?

I searched the Discussion Forums and followed the URL looking for a definition or a way to derive it. Sadly, I was unsuccessful and am forced to ask a noob question.

Thanks,
Rick