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  1. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    That would seem kind of odd. What will you say when someone goes to verify and finds out it's a degree and not a cert or PGdip?

    It doesn't matter. There are degrees awarded in the United States that are not designated as Science or Arts. Just like the MBA is a Master of Business Administration, there are also a number of Master of <<<insert field>>> degrees without a Science or Arts designation.
     
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  2. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    That's cool, which two are you doing? I bought the ENEB MBA and Masters Big Data & BI, then purchased a Masters in Digital Marketing & E-Commerce, but again it's just from ENEB/Universidad Isabel I partnership. There are a few of these types of degree providers besides ENEB but most if not all are Spanish.
     
  3. asianphd

    asianphd Member

    It is easier to explain that. It just hard to explain it with that price tag. Master's cert is easier to explain rather than PGdip.
     
  4. asianphd

    asianphd Member

    I bought the MBA and Masters Big Data & BI.

    Another one is from https://www.esneca.com/formacion/master-estadistica-economia-matematicas-financieras/
    It is a very nice program name :D looks good on CV.
    The program is in Spanish. The Esneca send me the physical book and some nice souvenirs with a letter.
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    Here is the dashboard of the virtual campus.

    Curriculum example: http://www.grupoesneca.com/gestio/arxius_cursos/MAS293.pdf
    Accreditation: https://www.esneca.com/acreditaciones/
     
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  5. Johann766

    Johann766 Member

    Interesting thanks! In case anyone find's a DBA program from spain and cheap please post it here:)
     
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  6. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Found it!:D

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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    LOL, that's what he gets for not specifying!
     
  8. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!

    Well, if an alternative to a DBA from UK is sufficient, have a look in the thread "Russian MBA and DBA. Total Tuition Below 10k"

    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Actually, $299 is expensive, I have seen the same school advertising Masters program for $200 not MBAs but other Masters.

    My guess is that these degrees will become the norm in the future, the reality is that degree automation is here to stay. I only need one faculty member with a PhD to grant thousands of MBAs. The PhD faculty maybe does not grade the papers but takes responsibility and the paper maybe auto graded with an AI complexity algorithm.

    My own University is using this model. We have some online courses that enroll 3000 students with one PhD faculty member. The cost reduces dramatically.

    This is where AACSB accreditation becomes necessary. Without this, I could offer an MBA with very low cost. AACSB accreditation requires a certain number of full time faculty with PhDs and certain level of research that makes it expensive to deliver business education.

    I see nothing wrong with $299 MBA. There is not much difference between NBE and some of the DETC accredited schools that use the same automation paradigm.

    Self improvement and continuing education should not cost a fortune, these degrees are not meant to be game changers but just help people to be able to keep up to date with the changing business world.
     
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  10. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    In case it isn't clear, I would pick Nicaragua over that outfit. Groupon MBA is way better value.
     
  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Unless I'm missing something, the most affordable DBA (and PhD) from a real UK school is still Heriott-Watt's. ebsglobal.net
     
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  12. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!


    I have posted in the thread "Russian MBA and DBA. Total Tuition Below 10k" a reference to a Level 8 Diploma which is on the same level as a DBA and can be "upgraded" to a DBA. This would still be a DBA from a real UK school - some universities give the opportunity to do so - and, maybe, this could even cheaper than Heriott-Watts.


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  13. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Was that on Groupon? I have seen them at times lower the price of just the Masters programs to as low as $217 on Groupon recently. The MBA + Masters programs have always been more expensive which makes sense because it's two degrees. I haven't seen the dual program cheaper than $299 but perhaps you saw it during a time when I wasn't watching it.

    I could be wrong, but I have doubts that ENEB is automating anything. The DETC/DEAC schools I dealt with all had real graders behind the system and instructors who could be communicated with. ENEB just appears to be doing what schools like Ashworth, Penn Foster, Nations, California Coast, Lakewood, (and to a similar extent schools that offer Competency-Based models like Western Governors University) are doing: entirely self-paced independent study. The work is there, the assignments are all open, and you work through it all at the speed you choose without deadlines or a weekly course schedule. Graders grade your papers, and if you need help the instructor or SME can be contacted.

    And the big question is, does it all result in a considerably better education? And who determines that? When hundreds of schools carry programmatic accreditation for a business program it seems difficult to assess quality differences based on that alone. Of course, some people will naturally look at other things like school reputation for example, but some schools that hold programmatic accreditation for their business programs may not be considered good schools and that belief may have merit, yet the school still has the same letters (AACSB) attached to its business program as Harvard.
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Right now is 249 minus 20% discount, which is less 200

    https://www.aprendum.com/master/


    I believe that if you want to learn, you can learn with the 200 dlls MBA. I have only done few classes with Penfoster and I completed another Spanish degree from another school that cost me few thousand. Both were similar and based on online exams and some basic assignments that seem to be auto graded but maybe there is an instructor but most of the time were just graded with a 100 with no feedback.

    The pro of the online Spanish Masters is that the content was new and very relevant compared to my MBA from a traditional Canadian School (McGill) that was was mainly theory and most of the stuff was dated. The con is that there is almost no interaction nor very rigorous grading as it is mainly online multiple choice exams with some assignments. However, both gave me the learning that I need to work but the McGill MBA is just easy to sell in the market. I include my MAsters from Spain in my CV and I state that it was earned online, nobody has asked any questions about it so no game changer but also not a negative impact.
     
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  15. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting that. Hadn't seen that one before. Looks like a Spanish version of Groupon. It appears that the school awarding the degrees is Eudes Universitas, and the teaching school is Market Cursos?

    Do they have any programs in English?

    Wow! That's not good on McGill. But it just goes to show that prestige/value doesn't always equate to top quality education.
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    ENEB works with universidad isabel i. You can email ENEB and ask if they have the degree in English before buying it.

    EUDES Universitas is a private school and not a University.

    In Spain, private schools are allowed to grant Masters degrees. These degrees have no official recognition.

    The thing with ENEB is that grants a degree from Universidad Isabel i that is an official University, You don't get an official degree but get a certificate with 60 ETCS credits that equal to a graduate diploma in the US or Canada with 30 credits. From the employer's point of view, you are getting a degree from an Official University so the whole official or private degree makes no difference. If you want to teach with it, most foreign evaluation services will give you a post graduate diploma with 30 credits equivalency.
     
  17. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Right. I was wondering only about Eudes and if they had English programs somewhere? From what I can tell, Eudes is offering programs only in Spanish. For a Spanish speaking person looking to save and avoid high tuition costs, the prices are unbeatable. I'm out of the degree market myself, but it's a hobby of mine to read up on these things and learn new information.
     
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    MBAs from top schools like McGill, UoT, Harvard, etc have value for few reasons. First, admission is very strict so the school filters already for the employer by selecting candidates that are serious as they bothered to get a good GMAT, work experience, etc. Second, you have placement services available to you and the school is well known in the local community. If you show with your ENEB/Isabel i MBA with an employer, most likely you will not be able to pass the first filter of HR and never get to the interview level. However, if you already have a good degree recognized from a local school, the employer would appreciate the effort to learn something new through ENEB, coursera, or any other valid source of learning.

    ENEB. coursera, edx are mainly education providers for continuing education. They grant Masters degrees mainly to be able to market better their diplomas but they will not replace a good local education that is well known to local employers.
     
  19. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't mention ENEB only because they are not accredited themselves and the degrees are awarded by Isabel which is an accredited institution, so I'd only mention Isabel.

    Coursera has offered programs that lead to a degree from recognized schools in the U.S so that's one advantage Coursera has over ENEB for people in the United States.

    Competitively, this degree wouldn't put you over recognized Masters degrees from schools in the United States, I agree. Holders of those degrees are more than likely to beat you, certainly if experience is near equal. But, having a legit Masters degree will make you stand out in front of the average person who doesn't have one. Combine that with experience and you will win in more cases than not. Some managers will want to know where your school is located once you're on the interview if the school doesn't ring a bell. Telling them "Spain" will reveal how they feel about it and online learning (and if it's bad you now know to run, lol), but even then once you're in the interview you either click or you don't and that usually will make a big difference in the end. Back when I interviewed regularly for positions, I was concerned with these things, but over time I found that nobody really ever questioned my education and since I was chosen to be in front of them anyway it was now a matter of me selling what I can offer the company.
     
  20. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    My Spanish is so so, I managed with translators to complete the degree.

    Eudes and other similar are the equivalent to state approved degrees. If you are interested in natural medicine, personal development, yoga, etc, these programs are good as they are meant for personal development purpose.
    I was tempted to take the ENEB program in coaching that can be quite useful for me. A coaching program at a local University costs 8K CAN and ENEB has it for 200 euros and it comes with the ISABEL 1 degree.

    In Canada, even online diplomas from non recognized schools cost few thousand dollars so if you are interested in learning something for personal development, these programs are good as they cost about the same as a book.

    I also learn a lot from coursera, they have non certificate options that are for free. There are more education providers some the UK.

    I think some people mentioned this here already, but it is way cheaper to learn finance and accounting by taking a diploma from ACCA, CIMA, AIA etc and then top it up with a degree than taking an online degree from the US.

    There are also a lot of private providers from less developed countries from Africa, Latin America, etc that work with places like Azteca and Nicaraguan Schools for degree options but degrees from Nicaragua might not be as credible as Spain, France, UK, etc.

    These models are becoming the norm so I believe that this will bring down the cost education dramatically.
     
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