Give it back!!

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by chrisjm18, Mar 8, 2023.

  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  2. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    Wow! Honestly, no data is 100% accurate and can be gathered from any pool set to make any point wanted by the researcher but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of research from dissertations was made up.
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If it's a lot - then I think there's either something wrong with the doctoral admission process -- the supervision / committee -- or something totally wrong with the whole University. Obviously, from the cases cited, there's a possibility of some falsification in any school. However, I'd think the amount of bogus "research" would vary inversely with the academic standing and known quality of the school.

    I'd like to hear from people who've gone through the doctoral process. As an outsider, my first thought is, whoever supervises a doctoral aspirant who gets away with this, should be called to account, as well as the whole committee that decided to award the Doctorate, based on made-up numbers etc. Shouldn't most of those, who pass judgment on the work, have the ability, in the majority of cases, to sniff out bogus, concocted "research"? From the description, it appears to me that what the doctoral aspirant did here seemed pretty blatant to an expert eye, when the work was examined.
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2023
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  4. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I've heard that there is such a huge push for publication these days that a large body of "research data" across multiple fields is entirely made up. If the doctoral supervisor is in that kind of environment, I'm not entirely surprised that they'd okay made-up research for a doctoral candidate. But the made-up data is usually not obvious unless someone tries to do similar research for real and gets vastly different results.

    IMO, this is even worse than degree/diploma mills. At least if you pay a few grand for that kind of "degree", you're not muddying the water with false data. You're not actively setting science back. You're just maybe publishing a book that nobody will read in order to be able to put the dubious distinction of "Doctor" before your name.

    "Publish or die" needs to, itself, die.
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  5. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

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  6. Michael Burgos

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  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It seems like there are more cases like this on RetractionWatch. In all cases, revocation requires evidence of actual misdeed: either plagiarism or, like in this case, data falsification,
    For "international" perspective, this is the list of all petitions to revoke a scientific title filed by russia's Dissernet project. It has 1,928 entries. Most will keep their degrees, but some are actually losing theirs. Dissernet focuses on egregious plagiarism, including by high-profile people (a PhD is a status symbol in Mordor, so people with resources often have their dissertation ghostwritten and approved by corrupt dissertation councils; ghostwriters know that there will be no real scrutiny and often copy-and-paste the whole chapters from earlier material).
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