Franciscan University of Steubenville unbiblical

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  1. fakescholars

    fakescholars member

    Thank you who cares if you disagree
     
  2. fakescholars

    fakescholars member

    Who cares. All of your advice is unbelievable. You are my prisoners.
     
  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Fakescholars, you have not presented any evidence to the contrary.
     
  4. fakescholars

    fakescholars member

    Phdtobi has degrees from Canadian University a sham

    Fake degrees how do you deal with members whi guve false advice? Unreal credentials
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Fakescholars, are you a fake scholar?
     
  6. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Spammer

    :spam: . . . .
     
  7. fakescholars

    fakescholars member

    Abner, Steve Levicoff and me again has elite secular accreditation

    Elite group membere with Catholic credentials are unbiblical. ATS is governed by the feds. Should they be booted from giving false advice
     
  8. fakescholars

    fakescholars member

    Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).

    Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the CERTAINTY of their salvation.

    Good Works: The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).

    Baptism: In the New Testament baptism is ALWAYS practiced AFTER saving faith in Christ. Baptism is not the means of salvation; it is faith in the Gospel that saves (1 Corinthians 1:14-18; Romans 10:13-17). The Roman Catholic Church teaches baptismal regeneration of infants, a practice never found in Scripture. The only possible hint of infant baptism in the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church can point to is that the whole household of the Philippian jailer was baptized in Acts 16:33. However, the context nowhere mentions infants. Acts 16:31 declares that salvation is by faith. Paul spoke to all of the household in verse 32, and the whole household believed (verse 34). This passage only supports the baptism of those who have already believed, not of infants.

    Prayer: The Roman Catholic Church teaches Catholics to not only pray to God, but also to petition Mary and the saints for their prayers. Contrary to this, we are taught in Scripture to only pray to God (Matthew 6:9; Luke 18:1-7).

    Priesthood: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that there is a distinction between the clergy and the “lay people,” whereas the New Testament teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9).

    Sacraments: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a believer is infused with grace upon reception of the sacraments. Such teaching is nowhere found in Scripture.

    Confession: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that unless a believer is hindered, the only way to receive the forgiveness of sins is by confessing them to a priest. Contrary to this, Scripture teaches that confession of sins is to be made to God (1 John 1:9).

    Mary: The Roman Catholic Church teaches, among other things, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven, a perpetual virgin, and the co-redemptress who ascended into heaven. In Scripture, she is portrayed as an obedient, believing servant of God, who became the mother of Jesus. None of the other attributes mentioned by the Roman Catholic Church have any basis in the Bible. The idea of Mary being the co-redemptress and another mediator between God and man is not only extra-biblical (found only outside of Scripture), but is also unbiblical (contrary to Scripture). Acts 4:12 declares that Jesus is the only redeemer. 1 Timothy 2:5 proclaims that Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.

    Many other examples could be given. These issues alone clearly identify the Catholic Church as being unbiblical. Every Christian denomination has traditions and practices that are not explicitly based on Scripture. That is why Scripture must be the standard of Christian faith and practice. The Word of God is always true and reliable. The same cannot be said of church tradition. Our guideline is to be: “What does Scripture say?” (Romans 4:3; Galatians 4:30; Acts 17:11). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 declares, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
     
  9. fakescholars

    fakescholars member

    spam. How?
     
  10. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    All of the fakescholar threads have been merged into one.
     
  11. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    Don't really think my points were that great, they were just anecdotal. Don't doubt that things are better for you now as opposed to before. Based on what I've seen in a whole lot of churches, I'd rather be an honest and forthright unbeliever than a hypocritical believer who specializes in pastor-worshipping, back-stabbing, political posturing and irrational balderdash. Not saying that you were involved in that sort of behavior, but I've seen so much of that crapola that I don't blame you if you rejected it. Again, I do not go to church and when people find out I'm a professing Christian and excitedly tell me "My brother's a pastor!" I answer "Will try not to hold it against him." I am so done with it all. But I just fear you tossed the baby out with the bathwater, i.e., it was Jesus who went after and publicly called out the types who likely drove you (and me) away from all that.
     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    That is the problem with doctrinal Protestantism: boundless arrogance. Acting as if generations upon generations of men of God missed the meaning of Scripture for 1,500 years before first Protestant sect popped up. Just for starters: kindly tell me which of the books of the Bible was authored by Jesus Christ.
    Doctrine of salvation by works that you falsely attribute to RCC is Pelagianism. Now, we do not know much about Pelagius, but according to his chief opponent St. Augustine, he was a monk of quite spotless virtue and I daresay knew the Bible much better than you and I. And still fell into error. But, you know, I'm sure you would never interpret the Bible wrong without the help from Tradition, all by yourself.

    The Gospels and Epistles are documents of the early Church and are chock full of advice on how to do good works. It's kind of hard to get Sola Fidei just by plain reading. It has a bunch of commands most just ignore: eg., 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 "preay without ceasing" is taught in Orthodox Church, practiced by Mt. Athos monks and maybe Opus Dei - what about you? The Bible is, indeed, quite emphatetic about how no amount of works would save you without faith - but does not say works are disposable. The doctrine of salvation by faith was explained by Augustine, and Luther's teaching comes directly from him, only more categorical, to the cusp of heresy. You're beating up on RCC with a genuine Catholic Tradition, man.
    On Mary: no Christian, Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic, Assyrian, no one would say that She is "redemptress" in the same meaning as Christ. Christ is unique. Christ has two natures, Mary one - human. Yet, Mary IS the Mother of God, The True Theotocos. She is set aside by God Himself in a way quite unlike anyone in history. Trying to drag Her down to the level of the rest of us by you guys is infuriating. And, sorry, but asking Her supplication works.

    This is pointless. Every point you raised has been answered. As an Eastern Orthodox, I could just point you to some good Catechism. Catholic teaching is quite close on most things, so you could just study their official Catechism - it's easily available online. Christ is among us!
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Great point, and churches are indeed filled with people like these. Yet a lot of grief I see in my church I also see in other groups of people. I'd say none of this is church-specific; it's just Romans 3:23 illustrated.

    Interestingly, I had slightly different experience. Priests I've met were, almost all, decent and rational people. It's some fellow lay people who displayed the worst behaviour. I know that priesthood is not immune to this, and indeed did have one unpleasant encounter with a (incidentally, Catholic) priest. But mostly they were quite good.
     
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Fakescholar: Plagiarism = Theft

    Fakescholar, you were creating multiple threads (and many had syntax issues) and you never responded to them. They were like drive-by shootings (or drive-by postings), such as here:

    Fakescholar, when you were called on it, you did not present your own opinion (scholarly thought), but instead, you copied-and-pasted a large volume of material from this website:
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

    Click here to see it. Your chosen user-name of "Fake Scholar" seems to be appropriate, doesn't it? LOL

    Seriously though, fakescholar, if you want to go to a regionally accredited theology program, then you will have to do more than just "copy-and-paste" the work of others. And if you do use large volumes of their work, then you will have to learn how to give them credit for it (there is a specific way to do that).

    Fakescholar, in the academic world, if a writer uses large amounts of someone elses work -- and if they don't give them credit for it (but pretend that it's their own original thought), then it's called "plagiarism." In the academic world, plagiarism is a big fancy 50 dollar word for theft or stealing. Fakescholar, if you desire to go down a theological journey, then you cannot steal the original work of others and then use it as your own creation.
     
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  15. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    This quote, from at least two other threads, was not even written by fakescholars, it was originally written by me. (They say that plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery…)

    Nonetheless, what we have here is already a four-page soon-to-be-magnum-opus started by an anonymous troll who just joined the board and has been attempting (rather successfully, it would appear) to do nothing but instigate.

    (By the way, me again, nice call on his cut-and-paste.)

    We will never know who this bozo is, but has it occurred to anyone that these are the stunts in which the DLT crew usually engage?

    Perhaps it’s time to move back to more relevant non-traditional education issues and to follow the best rule for posts like those from fakescholarsDon’t feed the troll. Right now he’s probably laughing his ass off while continuing to bait y’all. So stop swallowing the bait.
    :drive:
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    It's a shame that Kizmet and Bruce are still in absentia - they would have banned this yoyo by now.
     
  16. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    I think the bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha gave it away.
     
  17. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I grew up in a home that wasn't conventionally religious. My mother had studied comparative religion (or whatever they called it then) and the attitude in our house was that the divine was transcendent and exceedingly mysterious. Every religion strives towards it but only captures a fragmentary aspect. (Imagine the Indian parable of the blind men and the elephant.)

    I understand and feel the same way. For one thing, agnosticism is certainly the most intellectually justifiable position to take on transcendental matters that may be unknowable simply by definition. For another, all the arguments about who is a heretic (like we see in this decidedly odd thread), who is saved, who "knows Jesus" (or alternatively, is a good member of the ummah) and who is doomed to hell, all lose their personal existential force. I have no concerns in that regard.

    I remain fascinated by religion but in a more academic way. I'm interested in the histories of the religions, their doctrinal controversies and in the underlying problems of religious epistemology.

    I just viscerally dislike the so-called "new atheists" and so many of the internet-atheists that seem to make rudeness and ill-founded attitude into virtues. That's one reason why I label myself an 'agnostic'.

    I may technically be an atheist though regarding revealed religion. I don't believe in the literal existence of the named deities of religious tradition, from Vishnu, Shiva or Krishna, to Yahweh and Allah. I'm quite happy saying I believe that they don't exist, though I acknowledge that the possibility remains (however small) that I might be wrong.

    When it comes to the more philosophical divine functions of natural theology -- why there is something rather than nothing, first-cause, source of cosmic order, ultimate ground of being itself -- my position is that I don't have a clue. I don't think that any human being does (or likely ever will). So that's where I'm most clearly an agnostic.

    I guess that combination makes me into something approaching a neo-Deist.

    I don't worry a whole lot about the fact that so many people don't think like I do, even on a board like this. I do find other people's beliefs interesting though.
     
  18. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    You are so lucid in your discussion of the topic on non- believing. It was easier for me to speak about God and what he has done for me, about being save and born again because that was the only thing that i knew. I was born into it and it was accepted as the truth. Now, I will be hesitant in saying i am a nonbeilver in the place of my birth. So I dont say anything. I still tell my family and friends what they want to hear. It makes them feel good, so i let it me. Everyone once in a while, i may challenge a friend on facebook who will post something silly, like God was with the person who survive but no memtioned of the other fishermen that drowned- i came from a small fishing village. We have many tragedies every year.
     
  19. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    Don't expect a reply from FS.
     
  20. Joeman200

    Joeman200 New Member

    "Perhaps it’s time to move back to more relevant non-traditional education issues and to follow the best rule for posts like those from fakescholars – Don’t feed the troll. Right now he’s probably laughing his ass off while continuing to bait y’all. So stop swallowing the bait."

    As an apprentice troll in the making, this^
     

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