"formal doctoral equivalency"

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Full employment in the U.S. is achieved at about 3% unemployment. The difference is attributable to turnover, layoffs, illnesses, etc. Given the broad term "public assistance," that could include unemployment, for which people are typically eligible after just a few weeks.

    This tells me that, as a group, advanced degree holders are experiencing full employment. (With individual variances, of course.)
     
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  2. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Salaries for PhD students (technically stipends) are near minimum wage. That qualifies you for food assistance basically everywhere, especially if you have a family. Hopefully temporary, but something that would be solved with better funding for scholars.
     
  3. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Also I realize we are conflating a couple things here. Someone earning their PhD and being low wage is on a different income trajectory than someone who has earned the degree and is earning that same wage.

    In the same way that judging medical pay through residency salaries is likely to give you a distorted picture of their future earnings. (Though they are less than you might think.)
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Friends foreign degree was evaluated by AVMA
    As equivalent to Firat Professional Degree in the USA
    In Veterinary Medicine.
    This allowed him with proper score in TOEFL to qualify for DVM US licensing exam.
    They issued an equivalency document.

    Also there are Advanced Professional Degrees out there.
    DBA comes in mind.
     
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  5. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    You see something similar in some US states that will issue you an MD after you license with an MBBS so you can use the acronym without it being a false claim.

    Edit: E.g. New York State https://www.op.nysed.gov/professions/physicians/conferral-md-degree

    I don't know how the DO's feel about it though since they have identical training (and then some!) But a different postnominal.

    In Canada no such equivalency is offered. I've received excellent care from an MD and an MBBS.
     
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Same here.
     
  7. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    There are people who pursue higher education because they aren't able to "schmooze" their way to the top. Some of these people will be autistic or otherwise not neurotypical to such an extent that it impacts their employability, no matter what level of degree they hold.

    Some people may have health problems or have been in accidents and that impacts their ability to hold down a job.

    Some of them may be forced to care for a family member, whether or not they are personally employable.

    1.6% unemployment is negligible.
     
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Does any state other than New York do it? For some reason I thought that was a peculiarity of theirs.

    That's an interesting point, but IIRC the US is the only country where a DO is an evidence-based physician on par with an MD, in which case I suppose it doesn't come up?
     
  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Decades ago the California authorities thought it would be a good idea to give all the osteopaths in the state an M.D. degree. Didn't happen. I don't recall exactly why but I think both DOs and MDs objected.
     
  10. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I think this might be what you're referring to, 1987: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-08-18-mn-2144-story.html#:~:text=Proposition%2022%20gave%20practicing%20osteopaths,be%20relicensed%20as%20medical%20doctors.

    1962 to 1974, no new DOs could be licensed and most existing DOs were re-licensed as MDs. Then in 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that the ban violated the 14th Amendment so the osteopathic medical schools were allowed to re-open and they became separate licenses once again.
     
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  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, okay.
     

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