FLASHBACK: NFL Banned The Cowboys From Wearing Decal That Supported Police

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    They also took great offense with Tim Tebow taking a knee to pray or to thank God.

    Kneeling for God = VERBOTEN

    Kneeling to disrespect the Anthem, the flag, the military, and/or the police = A-OKAY

    And they wonder why ratings are down?
     
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    I don't see how anyone, let alone another veteran, can claim that taking a knee during the national anthem is disrespecting the military.

    He was protesting racism.

    If anyone is disrespecting the military and police it would be those police officers, however few of them you wish to believe it is, who have behaved violently toward people of color. Those individuals bring disgrace upon everyone who ever wore a uniform of any kind. And, even more regrettably, some of the police unions defend the actions of some of these murderers who were caught on camera doing their murdering. They too are a disgrace.

    So let's get mad at the problem and not the kneeling.
     
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    I know of several veterans, some of whom I personally served with, and some I didn't, who have PTSD. This whole kneeling foolishness has been a huge trigger for them, so one of the few things they used to enjoy in life, NFL football, is now ruined because they literally can't watch these overpaid children disrespect them. And that's how they view it; they are being disrespected.

    Are you going to tell the veteran with missing limbs and severe PTSD that he's wrong, to just suck it up and get over it?
     
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    I hadn’t thought of the controversy in light of this, but that is clearly hypocritical.
     
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    Well, two possibilities:

    1. If that PTSD is so severe that something as peaceful as silently taking a knee is a trigger that causes them anguish in their daily lives then I would recommend they seek additional help immediately. Adjustment to meds, additional psychotherapy, something. This isn't a flag burning. This isn't someone screaming that they are baby killers as they walk down the street. This is silent and peaceful. If that is a serious enough trigger then you should seek immediate help to try to be able to function in society again.

    2. If it isn't a clinical issue, then yes, you should get over it.

    That oath was to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. That means you fight equally to preserve the second amendment as you do for the right of people to protest, lawfully assemble, practice their religion (or none) of choice etc.

    Nowhere in that oath was the idea that we should protect and defend the constitution unless veterans find it disrespectful, it makes people feel grumpy or it triggers anyone, of any sort, for any reason.

    You took the oath. You fought the fight. Now, here you are, telling people they are using that freedom wrong. A real shame.
     
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    The NFL rule on helmet decals prohibits any decals on helmets. The article suggests that this is a PR nightmare for the NFL but as far as I can tell this is not the case. In the first place this whole thing with the Cowboys happened a year ago. I'm not a rabid football fan but I'm not aware of any huge pushback as a result of this ruling. If anyone is having a PR nightmare it's Trump. The internet is full of stories of bad reactions he's getting to his comments.
     
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    Many believe that Kaerpernick was virtually blacklisted, so I don't understand the comparison. I have veterans in my family and volunteer with veterans on a weekly basis. None of them are triggered by Kaerpernick kneeling. The black veterans that I know are more afraid of police brutality. They are black men, so they've had their share of bad interactions. The ones who remember the Civil Rights era are especially triggered. Imagine having to fight in the Vietnam and Korean wars, but living in a country where black people were regularly beaten by the police and denied their rights. But, I guess being shot, beaten, bombed, or lynched is not as triggering as someone kneeling during the national anthem.
     
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    Absolutely. I call on Roger Goodell to force a team to sign Kaepernick.
     
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    Trump has made about 20 tweets over the NFL issue and has been mostly silent about the widespread damage in Puerto Rico. I wish the president and his cult members would get this upset over white supremacists marching down the street with tiki torches making racist and anti-Semitic chants, but the people marching alongside them in defense of those who fought to preserve slavery are "very fine people." People peacefully kneeling during the national anthem to protest racism are "sons of b*tches." Could you imagine marching alongside the KKK and neo-Nazis? I guess some of you can, but those with a conscience can't.

    The real hypocrite here is Donald J. Trump. He can say Islamic extremist terrorism all day and criticize others for not saying it, but people have to pull his teeth to get him to even utter white supremacist or white nationalist terrorism. How is he supposed to unite this country when he's like this? All he does is make people angry.
     
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    Well, I have a conscience so I would never wear a Che t-shirt or march with KKK or neo-Nazis.
     
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    I am so tired.

    When I listen to radio I am bombarded by politics, even on the "all music" channels.
    When I watch TV about buying homes, I am pressed to ingest politics.
    When I try to enjoy a movie, I am incessantly reminded of some politics.
    When I go to a restaurant, I am admonished to pay attention to some politics through signs.
    I cannot watch a sports even without political emphasis.
    Even when I go to the bathroom, I have to bethink politics.

    Where can I hide from all this?
     
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    Let's not forget that Trump insulted John McCain and every POW and disrespected a Gold Star family. Let's not forget that Trump got out of serving.
     
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    That would be the worst place to hide to get away from politicking...
     
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    You can bet there's no deluge of open debate/complaint. That was your wish.
     
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    Puerto Rico. 100% of the island is without power, 80% of the electric system is damaged, and there are only a few working cellphone towers. Since Puerto Rico is not getting the fast attention Texas and Florida received, and their infrastructure is old, many people could be without power for months.
     
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    I have TDY coming up soon so ... that might be the solution.
     
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    I can't decide which is more breathtaking or appalling; your lack of understanding about PTSD, or your insensitivity towards our military veterans who suffer from it.
     

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