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Why do you use the term "unaccredited" ? Aren't BSU doctorates are fully accredited through CSCCS, as noted in the preceding posts ? Are you implying something negative about CSCCS ? And if so, does this imply something negative about BSU ?

 

Do USDOE and CHEA consider Breyer State to be accredited?

Dave

 

Some people get very defensive and touchy if you point out certain issues, like degrees being considered substandard and illegal. Even if you can cite references to back up your claims. Says alot about the individual!

They cry and whine, attacking the messenger since they cannot attack the message.

Check out my favorite site, maintain by George D. Gollin PhD at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Dr. Gollin is also on the Board at CHEA and I believe his PhD from Princeton University is much more creditable than lets say someone having a "doctorate" from an unaccredited school listed at the Texas site as "substandard." The folder name is "pigeons!"

http://web.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/pigeons/

 

LOL!

In the US we look at schools or programs accredited by an organization recognized by CHEA or the US Dept of Education.

Organizations like the AACSB and the ACBSP are recognized. Others, like the CSCCS and the IACBE (International Assembly for Collegiate Business Education) are not! Could change but as of today that is what it is.

Makes a big difference!

 

I don't agree

IACBE (International Assembly for Collegiate Business Education) - I do not think you should lump this one in there, because although not recognized by CHEA as a professional accreditor, there is no doubt that it is a totally legitimate accrediting body. Case and point here is there are many well recognized RA business programs that hold this accreditation. Comparing this to a mill accreditor is not appropriate.

 

What part of

"Organizations like the AACSB and the ACBSP are recognized. Others, like the CSCCS and the IACBE (International Assembly for Collegiate Business Education) are not!"

is untrue?

Citations please.

 

Well, I'm not "clueless," and I have earned an accredited doctorate--specializing in this field. So I hope I can say something.

We are talking about "Breyer State," right? A school without accreditation, operating with an Alabama license, a private school that invokes the term "state" in its title, purports accreditation by an unrecognized agency (which is utterly fraudulent behavior, even with the disclaimer many people will not understand), etc., right?

I firmly believe--and my research bears out--that the vast majority of "acceptance" by employers of degrees from unaccredited schools comes from their lack of understanding of accreditation and its impact on school legitimacy. They routinely accept unrecognized accreditation because they don't understand the recognition of accreditation. They routinely accept state licensure (and, especially, approval) because they don't understand that licensure and approval are not accreditation. And when they get this information, their acceptance of degrees from unaccredited schools drops. So let's not get too caught up in the fact that unaccredited schools have some acceptability. It's true, but for reasons that can be disasterous to the individual degree holder when found out.

I have no complaint about the DBA in particular since there is little opportunity for the outsider to observe and assess its quality. It does ask for a set of courses, plus dissertation. But that doesn't tell us about the rigor of either. But we know of the rigor of a lack of accreditation (none) and Alabama state licensure (equally none).

So what do we have to look at for quality? How about faculty? Let's look at those with doctorates (since we're looking at a doctoral program). The very first faculty member listed has an unaccredited Ph.D. The next one has an EdD from Breyer State! So does the third. The fourth has a PsyD from CCU (in addition to a law degree from an accredited school). The fifth has an accredited academic doctorate (NSU). The sixth doesn't list the source of his doctorate, and the seventh has a hypnotherapy doctorate from an unaccredited school. Next is another Breyer State Ph.D., followed by a guy with a DBA from Barrington (unaccredited). Yeesh. I give up.

Now, I'm not assessing the individual poster's work or the quality of his/her education. It's never about that. But the standards in place--and not--are really telling. Fake accreditation, state licensure that is meaningless, and a faculty littered with people with unaccredited doctorates (including many from Breyer itself) speak volumes.

Congratulations? Why not? On what? Well....

 

Yes and yes. (No, I didn't post it, but I'll say it.)

This is unrecognized accreditation. Academically, it is indistinguishable from no accreditation at all. But worse, it is misleading. Claiming unrecognized accreditation, even with a disclaimer, understates the importance of accreditation in terms of determining degree quality and recognition in the U.S.

Employers don't have a stated policy of accepting unaccredited degrees as a matter of policy. And I'd challenge anyone to find one that explicitly states it will accept unrecognized accreditation. See my post above about employers and their levels of understanding about this stuff. A BSU degree can get someone burned if found out.

 

Hi. Yes, the individual may have worked hard and attained much, so it seems appropriate to recognize the achievement, assuming some minimal doctoral standard was achieved according to State law. (We can't really examine the doctoral process or the research output of the graduate in this forum.) And, yes, it would be hard to make the case the Breyer State offers the very best available distance learning programs. However, I hope the conclusions of those who are experts, as you are, do not embolden those with insignificant academic achievements to engage in smack talk; it is inappropriate for those who can hardly conceive what a doctorate is to take a doctoral graduate to task. My opinion.

Dave

 

Ah yes. Fight the power Dave. All those lawmakers who decided to make unaccredited degrees illegal? What the hell do they know, they don't have doctorates at all!

I can't believe people still engage in serious discussion with this character. I can see what's next already, he'll accuse us of being shills out to drive business away from Breyer State to Northcentral!

 

Watch it Rich. You may get accused of being a shill for NoCentral. The logic goes like this...If you disagree with Dave; you are a shill for NCU.

 

By the same logic, would it be appropriate for "those who can hardly conceive what a doctorate is" to approve doctoral programs?

There are two state agencies in Alabama that license post-secondary institutions: the Alabama Commission on Higher Education (ACHE), and the Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education (ADPE).

In Alabama, the vast majority of institutions that issue doctoral degrees are licensed by ACHE. This includes nationally respected schools like the University of Alabama, Auburn U, Tuskegee U, etc.

Yet Breyer State University, surprisingly, is licensed by the other state agency, ADPE. It seems fair to suggest that ADPE may have little experience evaluating doctoral-level academic programs. For example, if we examine the list of ADPE-approved institutions, specifically those that begin with the letter "B", we find schools such as:

Bama Driving Institute
Birmingham School of Massage
Bob's School of Real Estate
Breyer State University

I haven't checked the full list of ADPE-licensed institutions and programs (it's long), but it is clear that the list consists predominantly of vocational schools. The BSU DBA may well be the only such degree that is offered by an ADPE-licensed institution.

 

Thanks for proving my point, with the tone and content of your response.

Dave

 

It doesn't take a doctorate to see the fraud that is Breyer State.

"Minimal doctoral standard"? What's that? I assure you, the state licensing procedure in Alabama neither calls for, nor ensures, such a thing.

Saying it would be hard to make the case that Breyer State is the best is an unfair strawman. No one is suggesting BSU is.

Because no competent entity evaluates BSU, you have no idea whether or not BSU meets any kind of standard, minimal or not. So you have to look for factors you CAN find. Like faculty, which at BSU is a joke.

One cannot applaud an achievement when one does not even know what that achievement is. Is there any difference between getting a DBA from BSU and buying one from some other internet diploma mill? Maybe, but who can tell?

 

Of course, there can be no conversation about distance learning without mentioning NoCentral U. They are the alpha and the omega of distance learning; the authors and perfecters of distance learning. Women want NoCentral U and men want to be NoCentral U. NoCentral U makes your teeth brighter and your breath fresher. NoCentral U students have more friends that other students. NoCentral U graduates repeatedly are hired ahead of Ivy League graduates. Oh thank heaven for NoCentral U. Oh happy day when NoCentral took my ignorance away... ;-)

By the way, I thought we were talking about Breyer State; oops, those clever NoCentral U shills have masterfully changed the topic to the best DL school of all time!

Dave

 

Just to be clear. I was "dismissing" with faint praise.

Dave

 

This has gone waaaay off-topic.