Etsine (Escuela Técnica Superior de Ingeniería y Dirreccion de Empresas)- Unidema

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  1. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Never seen this school mentioned on this board so thought I would add it.

    Etsine ( Escuela Técnica Superior Ingeniería y dirreccion de empresas).
    It's part of Unidema, a vocational training school.
    They are a partner of University Politecnica de Valencia.
    They offer MBAs, masters in communication and masters in marketing and monetization.
    They also offer an MBA in hospitality and tourism.

    Their courses are really affordable.
    Their website looks a bit old but they seem like a genuine school.
    Their alumni work at Deloitte, Ferrovial, Heineken, Coca-Cola according to the school page.

    Their MBA in business management consists of a programme that takes 400 hours to complete. It has the following themes : law, accounting, human resources, fiscality (taxes), marketing and economics.
    It seems like an interesting programme.
    Have hesitated to subscribe but at the moment I'm subscribed for so many courses that there is no space for another one.
    Especially not now I'm taking a postgraduate in fiscality. That one is very time consuming and I wouldn't want to miss out on a decent diploma compared to a non-accredited one.

    Their courses through Spanish Groupon only cost 149€ for an MBA, 49,99€ for a master in communication and 69,99€ for a master in marketing and monetization.
    I doubt you would be able to list it as a real master's degree on a resume but hey, if you want it to expand your knowledge I think it's a good deal.

    Their faculty seems to come from decent universities in Spain and many of them are CEOs from a company.

    Their exams are multiple choice questions and they can be repeated as often as the subscription is active according to Groupon.es.

    Their website looks awful though. Really 90s style.
    And they don't have a Wikipedia page which is bad.
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    No indication they teach in English. Looks like Spanish only. That's OK by me - but it limits the audience. Or do they have an "English" button I missed? ......DOH! They do have one. What a doofus! Sorry.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's the tell, right there. Check the boxes - until you pass! My late, sainted cats, Lightnin' and Mojo could have earned "degrees" that way. Lightnin' von Biersaufen, Ph.D.!
    Rev. Dr. Mojo von Biersaufen, D. Min., M. Div!


    I'm thinking "Escuela Superior" in Spain might be exactly like "Ecole supérieure" in France. What you can call your "school" if you can't legally call it a University.
     
  4. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    Estine vs Sobat, which would you go for? Hmm... I got a private message from a newer member on this board and the sister board, I am leaning towards Sobat...
    Technically, Estine should be the same thing as Sobat, but their site just sucks. Otherwise, Sobat is... so bad, that it might be good! haha, get it?

    But the main reason is, I'm not sure if Estine has the 60 ECTS vs most certificates that are only 6 ECTS. But Sobat actually has the 60 ECTS that should be transferable in the European Union.
    Here's a post in regards to Sobat. https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/school-of-business-and-trade-sobat-org.57107/page-2#post-544120
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Would you really consider "earning credits" from a school that had "tick-the-box tests" only - and they were repeatable till you passed? Some "credits!" I hope they're not "ACE recommended." :eek:

    They'd better have a "capcha" test - or "bots" will earn degrees. "How many parking signs are in these pictures?" (Click) OK, here's your degree - Master of Parking Signs!
     
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  6. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

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  7. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    Yeah, exactly. If the credits are transferrable, I'd probably take the program just to amass legitimate credits and hopefully transfer them into a different university that actually is accredited, but it seems unlikely.

    Both SOBAT and ESTINE, from what I can tell, basically operate as state-approved private institutions that are permitted to issue degrees under the protection of the government which are completely disconnected from any higher education system. The reason I ended up going with ENEB is because the partner school is accredited under EQAR, meaning the school's coursework is seen as being reasonably high quality. Neither of these schools has anything close.

    Another issue is recognition or even exposure.
    ESTINE is the business school of UNIDEMA, whose LinkedIn page shows...40 graduates? https://www.linkedin.com/school/unidema/
    SOBAT is nearly impossible to find on LinkedIn, but only has 87 grads https://www.linkedin.com/school/sobat/people/
    Both alumni lists are pretty sparse and missing anyone with a decent job except one or two that already had a good job before they went to these schools.

    ENEB's partner school, on the other hand, has nearly 7,400 grads and many of them are successful. The decent size of the alumni database plus the EQAR accreditation is why I opted for ENEB over anything else in this price point. Heck, ENEB has nearly 15,000 grads and like 35% of them have pretty good jobs which they didn't have prior to enrollment, so even their operation without their partnership is better than SOBAT or UNIDEMA :D
     
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  8. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Their degree looks awful by the way. Found one on LinkedIn.
    The degree had a spelling mistake in it. It reads '' bussines school '' instead of business school.
    *facepalm*

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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Etsine vs. Sobat? That's like Curly vs. Moe! What are we DOING, even semi-seriously saying things like "I'm leaning more to..." ANY such "school." This is a farce. :(:(:(
     
  10. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!

    Farce or not, I found this discussion interesting. Maybe it will inspire other people to look elsewhere for good education!

    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  11. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    The first thing I noticed about the "diploma" was the date: "abril 25, 2020." As I understand Spanish (and most European countries), they write dates with the day first - "25 abril 2020." So their Spanish is about as weak as their English. Yet one more reason why I wouldn't trust any program of this nature.
     
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Maybe if these outfits weren't littering the information superhighway like burrito-wrappers, and being subjected to unnecessary sniff-tests, people would be able to devote time to finding good education instead of seriously examining this type of hazardous obstruction.
     
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  13. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Point taken.
     
  14. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    If it still interests anyone: Their courses are only in Spanish (I asked them).
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Claro que si! Me voy a registrar hoy. Vamonos! (Oh yeah! I'm gonna sign up today. C'mon, let's go!) :D
     
  16. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Er... Donde esta la zapateria?
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Vas dos cuadras al este, establas tu caballo y ahí está. (You go two blocks east, stable your horse and there it is.) :)
     
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Long version:

    Está por la calle y detrás de la cantina, y no tienes que llamarla zapatería. Todos sabemos que es el prostíbulo. Saluda a Rosalinda de mi parte.
    (It's down the street and behind the cantina (bar), and you don't have to call it the shoe store. We all know it's the "house of ill repute." Say hi to Rosalinda for me.) :)
     
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  19. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Tee hee...
     

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